CA: At-a-glance look at Proposition 56

AP via San Francisco Chronicle ^ | February 7, 2004 | Associated Press

[calcowgirl]

Allow the Legislature to pass state budget and raise state taxes with 55 percent vote instead of two-thirds majority.

Put 25 percent of some extra money in a reserve fund.

Make Legislature stay in session if it hasn't passed budget by June 15 and receive no pay. Dock governor's pay if no budget by July 1.

[hotpotato]

You and I and most conservatives consider Unions as thugs but the SF Chronicle/AP and democrats considers them knights in shining white armor. The majority of voters in CA are democrats. That's what I meant when I said I knew what they were doing with their list. As for my "Capitalist Pig" comment, that's the liberal take on successful businesses. Any successfull business is evil and should be made to pay and a list of that "axis of evil" will convince the democrats that unless they want to be associated with those evil ones, then they will support 56.

[tubebender]

This is one of the most fact filled posts I have seen in my years of lurking on FRee Republic.

Thank you very much...

[tubebender]

BTW. Have you heard the Barbara Kerr radio ad slamming Albertsons and Safeway over the labor dispute. It is so crass it makes me gag. Can you find a transcript for it?

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks, I just emailed this list to a couple of younger relatives who had so bad data on this prop.

Both of them hate unions, socialism and higher taxes, yet some how, they were for this terrible legislation.

Many of their customers are the biggest donors against Prop 56. I'm sure that when they read this tomorrow morning in their offices, this data will be emailed to hundreds of other young conservatives.


Tber thanks for the ping.

[calcowgirl]

BTW. Have you heard the Barbara Kerr radio ad slamming Albertsons and Safeway over the labor dispute. It is so crass it makes me gag. Can you find a transcript for it?

Crass, I agree. I wouldn't even know where to look for the transcript. SacBee keeps 'ad watch' for election advertising.... but I haven't seen anything for the strike. I did a quick search... alas, no luck. I'll keep my eyes open.

[NormsRevenge]

They're going for Prop 56 (as a band-aid) in March and Prop 13 down the road...

We must send a message that a responsible government does not raise taxes to coverup for its own shortcomings and to pay for questionable policies&programs and bloated bureaucracies.

[hotpotato]

Good for you, Grandpa Dave. Gotta love the internet :-)

[hotpotato]

Have you heard the Barbara Kerr radio ad slamming Albertsons and Safeway over the labor dispute.

This is one of the reasons Walmart would want to remain non-union.... just one less pawn in the politician's bag of rhetoric. Not that that stops the democrats and other socialists from blasting Walmart. Walmart is an example of what I meant by my comment regarding the "evil" successful businesses that the democrats like to bash.

[NovemberCharlie]

Proposition 56 would do the following: ...
Prohibit political party leaders from punishing lawmakers for their budget vote.

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How exactly would that be accomplished?

[calcowgirl]

FYI... Clicking on the Prop 56 image takes me to the gif... not the homepage.

I can get there, but thought you should know.

[calcowgirl]

>>>Prohibit political party leaders from punishing lawmakers for their budget vote.

How exactly would that be accomplished?

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Kind of the same way that Prop 58 helps balance the budget! (NOT)

There are several paragraphs in the text of the initiative that address this (none very compelling). Here's one:

d) Allow legislators to vote their consciences on the budget instead of being pressured into voting the party line. A legislator who is threatened by another legislator because of a vote on the budget will be able to file a complaint with the Ethics Committees of the Senate or Assembly, which will investigate the complaint and make public its report and recommendation for appropriate action to the full Senate or the Assembly.

[hotpotato]

Thanks. Sorry about that. I fixed the later link I've been using.

[Grampa Dave]

Good point Norm. They are all ways going after Prop 13 regardless of what they say.

They blame prop 13 for all of their problems. Prop 13 needs more help to require budgets that don't cause deficits.

[Grampa Dave]

The internet is not that much of a help without what I see and read on Free Republic.

I get a thread like this one with the reality not the left wing mantras and BS weaved into it, and then it is like a guide truth missile via the internet email system.

This was discussed with a couple of church members today after church, they wanted me to email them the data. I did. They are now no people and emailing this thread.

[Grampa Dave]

What that means is when RINOs like the POS Johannsen (sp) crossed over to vote for one Davis's budget disasters, he was basically drummed out of the party and was treated like a leper by the republicans. This prop would somehow "protect" the traitors. They couldn't lose an important committe seat or chairmanship.

This is another reason to vote no on this prop..

[hotpotato]

Actually, the ability to pass on the info to so many people so quickly and so cheaply is what I mean. Glad to see you doing that. :-)

[goldstategop]

Sounds good until you read the fine print: the Democrats on their own can raise taxes to sky's the limit. At a time when California is on the verge of financial bankruptcy, the last thing voters should do is giving the politicians who made it happen a license to accelerate our spending binge. Don't be fooled by the "good government" stuff in this initiative - its simply window dressing to draw people's attention away from the fact its intended to make it easier for Sacramento to increase your taxes and you can bet that's exactly what the proponents won't mention unless they're forced to. VOTE NO on Proposition 56!!!

[goldstategop]

In other words, its really a political club intended to be kept in reserve by Democrats to sanction Republicans who don't break party ranks to vote for tax increases. So why would we want to punish legislators for voting their convictions? Sheesh - the liberals here are really transparent in demonstrating to the public they think the public are suckers for continued Democratic one-party rule in California.

[calcowgirl]

Sheesh - the liberals here are really transparent in demonstrating to the public they think the public are suckers for continued Democratic one-party rule in California.

Unfortunately, many in the public confirm the assumption.

[Political Junkie Too]

The biggest problem we face with Prop 56 is that it is on the ballot with a strong Democrat primary and a weak Republican primary.

The Democrats will be motivated to turn out for a Presidential primary, while Republicans have to be motivated to vote for a nominee to run against Barbara Boxer in the Senate.

Will that be enough to turn out against Prop 56?

Also remember that this is the issue that the State Democrats were caught on an open mike plotting to create last summer. They wanted to delay passing the budget so they could hurt the people and blame Republicans in order to convince voters to support a 55% vote requirement instead of the current 66%.

-PJ