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To: dmzTahoe
” Poster should not assume things when posting . “

Well we agree on that. Do you think that you have made any assumptions about posters on this thread ? :-); Do you think you were assuming when you decided I was a vegan? a PETA member? - meant in a light-hearted way :-)

”Regarding question about nature, as I said before, man is atop the nature chain.”

Here’s what I believe: There is the mineral kingdom, the plant kingdom, the animal kingdom and the human kingdom. Humans have dominion over the other kingdoms. Dominion, not domination. I see you claiming the right to dominate. And I do not agree with you on that. Humans are to be good stewards of the earth and the lessor kingdoms and that does not mean exterminating species because they are difficult or dangerous or cost you money.

”Man's progress is undeniable and unstoppable.”

I do not think we would define the word “progress” in the same way :-); As I said before, progress does not mean exterminating species. Progress does not mean no wolves, or bears or cougars or whales or dolphins or coyotes or whatever other animals you personally do not like. Progress, to me, means a better world and the animal kingdom is part of what I see as a better world.

”It is not our place to reintroduce a species, especially as harmful as a wolf, into areas and then expect the natural order of things (without man's control) to maintain a balance...it's too late for that.”

Again, man has dominion (meaning responsibility) for the animal kingdom – not domination and control. The truth is that it is not your place to exterminate a species. And I do not agree that wolves are harmful. Wolves are predators, just like eagles and hawks. Wolves have a place in Nature, as do other predators. I do not agree with you that wolves do not belong here.

“The wolf can exist, but in a controlled environment,

Again, I do not agree with your assertion that man is here to dominate and control. We just do not agree on that. Wolves do exist. And they exist in the wild. That is where I think they belong.

”allowing man to control their numbers and territory.”

Man has a role to play, but it is not about domination and control. It is about taking care of and being responsible for – being a good and true steward of the earth. And here, I think, we may have a chance for agreement about wolves numbers and territory.

”regarding your concern for breaking any law, it is most unfortunate, and a sign of over-reach by the government, that honest, law-abiding citizens are forced to entertain law-breaking to secure their livestock, livelihood and family.”

No one is “forced” to break the law. Everyone is responsible for the choices they make. We are a country that values the rule of law and, imo, that includes everyone – even the far right :-); It’s just not ok to decide to be a criminal. What if every interest group decided that they were “forced” to break the law because the law didn’t suit them?

”Co-existence can happen, but not without man's control.”

I think we agree here, if you change the word control to responsibility and stewardship.

131 posted on 02/08/2004 7:07:40 PM PST by Sunsong (Free Republic is a conservative, American site -- try to keep that in mind...)
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To: Sunsong
Is there any particular reason that you are the most active when there is a full moon?
139 posted on 02/08/2004 7:24:16 PM PST by U S Army EOD (Volunteer for EOD and you will never have to worry about getting wounded.)
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To: Sunsong
Can we agree to respectfully disagree?
147 posted on 02/08/2004 7:52:13 PM PST by dmzTahoe (Go Zags!!!...#8 and still rising.)
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To: Sunsong
Again, man has dominion (meaning responsibility) for the animal kingdom – not domination and control

I think you need to take a second look at what the word "dominion" means.

The truth is that it is not your place to exterminate a species.

Generally, I would agree with you. While I do not think exterminating a species is a wise move for man/woman exercising his/her dominion, dominion means dominion. It would be their choice, and the consequences theirs to live with. But can one group of Man legitimately exercise dominion over another group of Man, barring him/her from exercising that dominion? Is there a moral code that you're appealing to, which says Man shouldn't exterminate a species if that's what his/her wisdom decides is best?

And I do not agree that wolves are harmful.

I think the question to answer here is "harmful" to what? Other wild animals? Privately-held property? Privately-owned wildstock? Do the rights of the property owner supercede the rights of the (individual) wolf?

Wolves are predators, just like eagles and hawks. Wolves have a place in Nature, as do other predators. I do not agree with you that wolves do not belong here.

That's a whole different discussion here. You've switched from "wolves belong in X region" to "wolves belong in Nature" (odd that you capitolized it - typo?). Maybe the best way to cut through the issues is to ask bigger overarching question, like "does Man's dominion extend to and over Nature, or is Man "under" Nature and therefore holds no greater "rights" than the wolf?"

200 posted on 02/09/2004 3:26:48 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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