To: Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
Scratching my head in disbelief BUMP.
4 posted on
02/06/2004 4:35:27 PM PST by
ServesURight
(FReecerely Yours,)
To: Indy Pendance
I can imagine to whom Taiwan will aim their missile, but who do we think the Egyptians will aim theirs?
5 posted on
02/06/2004 4:43:37 PM PST by
NTegraT
To: Indy Pendance
"Egypt's gonna get one too,
Just to use on you know who...
So, Israel's getting tense,
Wants one in self-defense,
'The Lord's our Shepherd' says the Psalm,
But just in case--we better get a bomb!"
--"Who's Next?" by Tom Lehrer
To: Indy Pendance
Umm....so Egypt's expecting a fight against...uh, Israel? Oh no, we have the multinational observer force along the border. Libya? They just kowtowed to the U.S./U.K. and ain't gonna be fighting anyone soon. Sudan? Chad? The Saudis? No one would be going to war without the U.S. stepping in and saying hey, no you can't. What gives?
8 posted on
02/06/2004 5:09:28 PM PST by
Herodotus
To: Indy Pendance
Not to worry.
The Israeli Python 4 and new Python 5 are better missles. The are all-aspect like the AIM-9M, but also are aimed with a helmet, creating a wider envelope of attack. The Python 5 also has a range of 15km.
9 posted on
02/06/2004 5:23:13 PM PST by
rmlew
(Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
To: Indy Pendance
Thank you very much, United States of America.
10 posted on
02/06/2004 5:38:32 PM PST by
Alter Kaker
(Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
To: Indy Pendance
I sure as hell hope we planted something within that technology that allows us to disable it should the need arise.
To: Indy Pendance
What's the missile range, anyone know?
Could be used against the Troops in Iraq? Yikes.
12 posted on
02/06/2004 6:50:02 PM PST by
GulfWar1Vet
(Do you like the taste of Freedom? Thank a Vet!)
To: Indy Pendance
People, people, people. . .calm down.
Ever hear or "FMS security deletions?"
That would be Foreign Military Sales security deletions.
Meaning we may sell some piece of military equipment but the actual guts and technical capability have been dumbed down to ensure, a) Israel keeps its qualitative edge, and b) US keeps the edge of Israel and Egypt.
We don't sell the good stuff.
(I do this sort of stuff for a living and there is a heck of a lot that goes on when we sell stuff, and it is NOT driven by industry---see below).
Notes from a lecture I give on the subject:
Overview
Historical Background
Reasons Why the US Engages in FMS
How Does the Process Work?
What Are The Laws Affecting FMS
Myths and Misconceptions about Gunrunning
Reality Check
Historical Background
US Has History of Isolationism
Sep 1940: WWII Looms for America
FDR Wants to Delay US Entry, Initiates Destroyers for Democracy Program
1941: Lend-Lease Act Passed.
Congress Permits President to Lend/Lease/Sell Arms to Britain, Commonwealth, China
By Wars End, Virtually All Allies Receive Arms
Lend-Lease Valued at $50.6 Billion
1947: Cold War and the Arms Race is On
Historical Background
Cold War Shapes US Political-Military Policy for Next 40 years
Containment Policy to Fight Communism
Truman Doctrine Promoted Containment by Helping Friendly Countries That Request Aid
1947: Greece and Turkey Are Fighting Communist Insurgency
US Grants $400 Million in Aid
Thus Begins the Great International Arms Trade in Foreign Military Sales (FMS)
Why The US Conducts FMS
Sales Permit Physical Access to Country
Access Important for Strategic Reasons (Gulf War)
Access Results in Increased Influence on Political Matters
US Arms Sales Strictly Controlled by Legal and Financial Constraints
Break the Rules, Lose the Loan, Lose Technical & Logistics Support, Deliveries Suspended
Why The US Conducts FMS
Access and Influence Enhances Security
The President Must Determine The Eligibility of the Prospective Purchaser on the Basis that Sales Will Strengthen US Security and Promote World Peace (DoD 5105.38-M)
Why The US Conducts FMS
FMS Enhances US Security By:
Keeping Technical Know-How Current (R&D)
Keeping Factory Doors Open to Ensure US Defense Capability in Time of Crisis
Infrastructure = Security
However, US Defense Industry Suffering from World-Wide Defense Cuts
US Defense Spending is so Low, Pentagon is Now Unable to Fully Support Defense Infrastructure
Why The US Conducts FMS
Why The US Conducts FMS
Downsized and Reduced US Overseas Presence Demands Coalition Partners
US No Longer Able to Afford Large Forward Bases
FMS Takes the Place of Actual Presence
US Presence is Maintained Through Arms/Support
Coalition Shares Cost of R&D and Production
Lower Cost-per-Unit, Means Sufficient Numbers to Satisfy Defense Needs
Coalition Means Almost Seamless Integration, Less Loss of Life, Increased Opportunities for Success
How Does the Process Work
Country Requests Price & Availability
Country Must Be on Congressionally Approved List before P&A is Provided
Specific Military Department Contacts Defense Industry to Get Rough P&A Estimate
Military Department Does Sanity Check to Make Sure Price is Reasonable
If P&A Appears Reasonable, P&A is Passed to Country
How Does the Process Work
Country Considers P&A and Submits Formal Letter of Request if they want the Stuff
The LOR is Evaluated and Validated
Evaluated for Authority to ask for the Stuff
Validated for Permission to Have the Stuff
If LOR Approved, The Process is Started
How Does the Process Work
Letter of Offer and Acceptance is Prepared
LOA is a Total Package Contract:
Establishes Terms and Conditions
Specific items to be Sold, Delivery Schedule, Liabilities, Cost, Training, Logistics, Follow-On Support, The Works!
LOA Must be Approved By White House, DoD, Commerce Dept, State Dept, and others (if Required)
How Does the Process Work
President Notifies Congress When:
More than $50 Million in Military Stuff
More than $200 Million in Construction
More than $14 Million in Major Items
At any Price, If Significant Military Equipment is Involved
When Congress Notified, President Explains:
How the Sale Affects the Balance of Power
Impacts the Arms-Race
Impact on US Technological Edge
How it Supports US National Interests
How Does the Process Work
Congress Thinks About the Sale
20-Day Unofficial Notification
30-Day Official Notification
50-Days to Approve/Disapprove Sale
Lack of Objection = Approval
Country has 120-Days to Sign
Country Accepts and US Military is Honest Broker
Conducts Program Management Reviews
Monitors Delivery and Upgrades
Modifies or Amends the Contract
Legal Authority
Foreign Assistance Act
Section 516; Nato
Section 517; Counter-Drug
Section 518; Bio-Diversity
Section 519; No Cost FMS
Section 520; Modernization
Arms Export Control Act
DOD 5105.38-M, Security Assistance
Myths and Misconceptions
US Sells Arms For the Bucks
US Sells Arms Because a Manufacturer Wants to
US Sells Arms Because We Can
Hollywood Has a Clue about FMS
Reality Check
FMS Promotes Peace and Security
FMS Protects US National Security
FMS Has Oversight and Accountability
FMS is Big BucksBut Not the Driving Factor
Discussion/Questions
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