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Snow: O'Neill Given Classified Documents
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| 2/6/04
Posted on 02/06/2004 4:30:23 PM PST by truthandlife
Edited on 04/22/2004 12:38:57 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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To: truthandlife
It was O'Neil's responsibility for the security of classified documents in his possession. If you are given a security clearance for your job and you leave that job you still cannot divulge secrets.
To: Mike Darancette
If O'Neill was given the information by government officials who did not identify it as classified, and he had no other reason to believe the information was classified, he has done nothing wrong disclosing it.
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posted on
02/06/2004 4:39:46 PM PST
by
CatoRenasci
(Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
To: truthandlife
Sounds like the administration cut a deal with O'Numbnuts:
Shut your pie hole, or we'll prosecute your dumb-@$$.
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posted on
02/06/2004 4:39:57 PM PST
by
Henchster
To: Mike Darancette
That's right. He signed a security agreement to never divulge classified info to persons not properly cleared.
Of course, O'Neil is shilling for the Democrats now, so I don't expect there will be any consequences.
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posted on
02/06/2004 4:41:37 PM PST
by
jimtorr
To: jimtorr
Man!
I have bad eyes, and at first I thought it said Shaquille O'Neal given classified documents!
He couldn't read them if he got em!
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posted on
02/06/2004 4:42:42 PM PST
by
ConservativeMan55
(You...You sit down! You've had your say and now I'll have mine!!!!)
To: CatoRenasci
...he had no other reason to believe the information was classified, he has done nothing wrong disclosing it. That is not correct.
Anyone with access to classified has a legal obligation to protect that classified material from unauthorized access.
If he doesn't know it's classified, he is to ignorant to be trusted with it in the first place. His position as secretary doesn't matter, he has people to take care of it for him.
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posted on
02/06/2004 4:46:15 PM PST
by
jimtorr
To: truthandlife
What the hell is a govt. agency doing letting O'Knucklehead take documents with him anyway? That's crazy if that's SOP. When I left the military, I wasn't allowed to take any job-related documents or computer disks with me, classified or not. That's the way it should be. I'm not against a guy taking his personal pens, textbooks, and notebooks (minus any paper that has writing or printing), but documents of any kind shouldn't be leaving with him.
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posted on
02/06/2004 4:57:33 PM PST
by
Excuse_My_Bellicosity
(If universities didn't teach worthless subjects, who would?)
To: jimtorr
He signed a security agreement to never divulge classified info to persons not properly cleared. There's more to it than that. Anybody receiving that data also has to have a need-to-know.
And, this guy shouldn't be taking documents with him anyway, classified or not.
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posted on
02/06/2004 5:00:05 PM PST
by
Excuse_My_Bellicosity
(If universities didn't teach worthless subjects, who would?)
To: CatoRenasci
That's not necessarily true. There's all kinds of information that may not necessarily be classified but still shouldn't be disclosed. Examples: contracting documents that show dollar figures or are competition-sensitive, source-selection documents, proprietary data, mishap-sensitive information, documents that fall under the Privacy Act of 1974, just to name a few. I would have expected more from a government employee of O'Neill's rank and position.
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posted on
02/06/2004 5:06:12 PM PST
by
Excuse_My_Bellicosity
(If universities didn't teach worthless subjects, who would?)
To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
And, this guy shouldn't be taking documents with him anyway, classified or not. Wasn't it something like 10,000 documents? I mean, reams and reams of the stuff. He intended to write a book all along out of revenge.
What a small, petty man.
Prairie
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posted on
02/06/2004 5:07:49 PM PST
by
prairiebreeze
(WMD's in Iraq -- The absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.)
To: CatoRenasci
IIRC, didn't some of the documents he flashed in his interview still have classification markings?
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posted on
02/06/2004 5:14:11 PM PST
by
PLMerite
("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
To: truthandlife
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posted on
02/06/2004 5:19:09 PM PST
by
DoctorMichael
(Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it.)
To: PLMerite
The only time I have seen Rumsfeld befuddled was when he was asked questions about O'Neill and his book. More in sorrow than anger, Rumsfeld indicated that he thought he had known the man well. Rumsfeld was shocked by -- and actually denied the substance of -- the headline grabbing claims.
Rumsfeld knows, as does everyone in high Government service, that there is a sense of propriety that limits ones actions after leaving government. It is called the principle of the decent interval.
I doubt that O'Neill has many friends left, in or out of government.
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posted on
02/06/2004 5:24:08 PM PST
by
gaspar
To: Mike Darancette
Exactly. I'll bet he used a personal relationship as leverage to get them. Just because he obtained them does NOT give him permission to use the information in them.
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posted on
02/06/2004 5:27:03 PM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: gaspar
The only thing one really needs to know about O'Neill is during the 90s Clinton worked with Marc Rich to make aluminum available to ALCOA when ALCOA was on the ropes (like every other aluminum company). Clinton saved O'Neill's career, but expected payback. Sorta like Vito and the undertaker. I don't think O'Neill wanted to write the book, but was made an offer he couldn't refuse.
To: CatoRenasci
If O'Neill was given the information by government officials who did not identify it as classified, and he had no other reason to believe the information was classified, he has done nothing wrong disclosing it.I believe you. What do you make of his story out of his own mouth? He says he called up his old office and asked them to send him any documents he was entitled to. He says about 3 weeks later he received several CDs and (here's the part I want your opinion on:) handed them over to the reporter who wrote the book, Suskind, without first reviewing the CDs himself.
I don't expect any action taken against the old fool, just wondering about the propriety of that.
To: prairiebreeze
19,000...
To: cyncooper
Well, this is a bit gray: If you ask for documents, and you no longer have a "need to know", even if you have a clearance, you shouldn't be given classified information.
If you're given information with no indication that it's classified, how are you supposed to know? It's possible you saw it earlier and knew it was classified, but otherwise, it's hard to see how you would know.
Nonetheless, a reasonably prudent man in these circumstances ought at least to have looked through the documents before giving them to a third party.
In my experience, if a document is classified, it says so right on it. And, typically, it has a cover sheet that indicates the level of classification. And, if it is more than merely "confidential", you have to specifically sign for the document in a document log. If none of these procedures were followed, i.e. there were no classification markings on documents, no cover sheets and no log of classified documents for which Mr. O'Neill signed, it's hard to see where he is legally at fault. Though, again, ideally, he'd have checked himself before giving them to a third party whose clearance and "need to know" were uncertain.
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posted on
02/06/2004 5:57:20 PM PST
by
CatoRenasci
(Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
To: CatoRenasci
Do we have any confirmation that the CDs Suskind was the "only" data transferred by O'Neill?
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