China to forgive Iraq debts

BBC Monitoring ^ | February 05 2004 | Xinhua

[tallhappy]

Your sarcasm doesn't make a point, though.

You have tou go to silly extremes to try and simply dismiss or belittle observations I make.

It is fine for China to forgive the debt. Why is there debt to China is another question. What were they buying from China?

The point was made China gains influence. Is that good?

No.

One takes the good with the bad.

It is interesting to see your consistent support for the communist regime in China.

[MEG33]

Give it a rest,tallhappy.Your "pro Communist" accusations against those who don't believe everything you do are ludicrous.

[tallhappy]

Again, you avoid the issue and the point.

Is it good for the Chinese communists to gain more influence?

[HenryLeeII]

With all due respect, you are spewing whitewashed garbage about the Chinese regime.

What?!?! Either explain or apologize.

[Jack of all Trades]

Your question makes no sense. It's like asking if it's bad to lose a pawn in a chess game. You don't play games that involve strategery, do you?

[tallhappy]

What terrorist organazations are supposedly sending arms to Xinjiang? What Middle East regimes support these organizations?

What is China's relations with these Middle east regimes and terrorist organizations?

Take Iran for one example. That regime is the largest granddaddy of all terrorist sponsoring regimes and spearheaded the modern Islamicist movement.

The communist regime in China has close tie to the Iranian Islamicist regime. Rather than being concerned that they are supporting Xinjiang rebels, the communist regime has been overly freindly with the Iranian regime. They have cooperated in terms of weapons development and nuclear development.

Shortly after Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech the Communist Pary General Secretary Jiang Zemin held a summit metting in Iran pledging further cooperation and alliance.

This is but one example. Your analysis is being presented by some but there is no actual basis for it given the closeness of the Chinese regime with terrorist sponsoring states.

[GOPJ]

I love your ping list, but it's just too much stuff. Can you drop me for now. Thanks.

[HenryLeeII]

Uhh, you need to calm down a little and think big picture thoughts. Yes, China is in cahoots with the government in Iran, but that equals money! If you aren't aware of Islamist separatists in China's western provinces, and their friends elsewhere, then you need to do some research before spouting off at people who know more than you.

[tallhappy]

I'm very aware of Xinjiang. Those elements have not been, nor are majority Islamicist. Rebiya Kadeer, for example, is in no way associated with Islamic extremism or terrorism.

[Lake]

>>Rebiya Kadeer, for example, is in no way associated with Islamic extremism or terrorism.

Oh, rally? What about those 500 poor guys who were from Xinjiang but now are jailed in Guantanamo Bay?

[Lake]

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MR. BOUCHER: Okay. Let me try to tell you what we know about it. We
know that some Uighors have been found fighting with al-Qaida in
Afghanistan. We are aware of some reports of reports that some Uighors
who were trained by al-Qaida have returned to China.

As the Secretary has said, China and the United States have both been
victims of terrorist violence and face a threat from international
terrorism. We certainly value our counter-terrorism cooperation with
China. We oppose terrorist violence in Xinjiang or anywhere else in
China.

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http://hongkong.usconsulate.gov/uscn/state/db/2002/0122.htm

[HenryLeeII]

Thank you, Lake. Sometimes work gets in the way Freeping, so I didn't have time to do any googling on the subject. Thank you, and Freegards...

[tallhappy]

As I stated, Rebiya Kadeer is in no way connected with islamic extremism and the vast majority of the Uighur opposition to communist rule has not been associated with Islamic fundamentalism of extemism.

Rebiya Kadeer is a business women who was successful in Xinjiang, even to the extent that she was profiled in the Wall Street Journal and held up as an example by a success story by the communist regime.

Yet she was arrested and is in prison for sending her husband information to use in senate tetimony here in the US. She and her crime had nothing to do with Islamic extremism or fundamentalism.

The Chinese communist regime jails and opposes those who are simply against one party rule or for democracy or free speech or free religion. Kadeer is an example. Most of the Xinjiang opposition has been along these lines.

Uighurs have traditionally been similar to Turkey in outlook and attitude. Their country, before the communist's took it over, was called East Turkestan.

Certainly some people from Xinjiang are more extremist (eg there is one group that called themselves Uighur Hamas). And I'm sure some even were with al Qaeda in Afghanistan. But those elements would not be representative of the long opposition to Chinese communist rule.

As far as our comrade Lake, note the descrepencies in what he posted and what he referenced.

500 in Guantanamo from Xinjiang vs "We know that some Uighors have been found fighting with al-Qaida in Afghanistan. We are aware of some reports of reports that some Uighors who were trained by al-Qaida have returned to China".

As far as relations between China and Afghanistan pre-911 the communist regime had much more interaction and cooperation with the Taliban than any Uigur from Xinjiang.

[HenryLeeII]

As far as our comrade Lake, note the descrepencies in what he posted and what he referenced. 500 in Guantanamo from Xinjiang vs "We know that some Uighors have been found fighting with al-Qaida in Afghanistan. We are aware of some reports of reports that some Uighors who were trained by al-Qaida have returned to China".

I don't see a discrepency. He's quoting a government official from a press conference who is saying he's seen reports of some Uighors fighting with al-Qaeda forces in Afghanistan, and some trained by al-Qaeda returning to China, in addition to the 500 or so detainees that may be held in Gitmo.

As far as relations between China and Afghanistan pre-911 the communist regime had much more interaction and cooperation with the Taliban than any Uigur from Xinjiang.

That may or may not be true, but it doesn't have any bearing on activities going on within China's borders amongst the various ethnic groups and the government.