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N.Y. City Council Passes Anti-Patriot Act Measure
Washington Post ^ | 2/05/04 | Michelle Garcia

Posted on 02/05/2004 4:24:31 AM PST by kattracks

NEW YORK, Feb. 4 -- New York City, site of the country's most horrific terrorist attack, Wednesday became the latest in a long list of cities and towns that have formally opposed the expanded investigatory powers granted to law enforcement agencies under the USA Patriot Act.

The New York City Council approved a resolution condemning the law, enacted by Congress six weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, with a voice vote in its chambers a few blocks from the gaping hole at Ground Zero.

"The Patriot Act is really unpatriotic, it undermines our civil rights and civil liberties," said council member Bill Perkins (D-Manhattan), the bill's sponsor. "We never give up our rights that's what makes us Americans."


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To: NYCVirago
And now they think they're entitled to know what I buy out of state, so they can TAX ME just as if I'd bought the stuff in New York.

But they're concerned about protecting my privacy. I'm telling you, this is the longest bad dream I've ever had...
21 posted on 02/05/2004 8:40:52 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Oh yeah, I called Giffie's office about that last year. The girl answering the phone finally said "You DO realize this is only a resolution, don't you?"

Yes, you dumb ****, I realize that the City Council does practically nothing except pass gas in the form of meaningless and yet utterly offensive resolutions...
22 posted on 02/05/2004 8:45:56 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: kattracks; Paulie; correctthought; hedgie; NYCVirago; hellinahandcart; Clemenza; BCM; ...
I tried to find something about this story on the NY Times website using the term "Patriot Act". There was nothing. Do you think the Times is embarrassed? I can't wait to leave this Peoples Republic(NYC) too.
23 posted on 02/05/2004 8:49:09 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
New York Slimes is good for picking up my poodle's crap.
24 posted on 02/05/2004 8:49:51 PM PST by cyborg
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To: hellinahandcart
The PATRIOT ACT is bad legislation that didn't even have a chance to get debated on in the Congress. If everyone had gotten their crap together in the first place and shared information between agencies we probably could have prevented this. I don't see what overall good sneak-n-peek warrentless searches will do to our society in the long run.

Regardless, NY is going down the drain. I'm getting the hell out of here while I am still young. New Hampshire and Wyoming are my top 2 choices... FREE STATES unlike NY.

Sad to say, because Rochester is my home and I truly love Upstate. I will be sad to move but there are greener pastures outside of NY.
25 posted on 02/05/2004 8:52:57 PM PST by bc2 (http://thinkforyourself.us)
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To: kattracks
said council member Bill Perkins (D-Manhattan), the bill's sponsor. "We never give up our rights that's what makes us Americans."

Hey! Bill, do you support the Sullivan Law?

26 posted on 02/05/2004 8:56:45 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("I don’t want to get caught up in any of that Funky s**t goin’ down in the city" - Steve Miller)
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To: hellinahandcart
Well, that girl at least seems more sane than the shrieking harpie in Gerson's office. I thought she was going to come through the phone and hit me when I asked if he's aware that the WTC site is in his district.

Why, oh why, did you vote for term limits? Elections themselves are term limits, in that if we're sick and tired of the bums, we vote them out of office! I *wish* Rudy were still mayor! :(

For all his faults, I can't imagine that Peter Vallone would have allowed that dopey anti-war resolution nor the invite to Mugabe to go through the city council when he ran things.

27 posted on 02/05/2004 8:58:24 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Where has all the JOEmentum gone?!)
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To: hellinahandcart
Great point about the taxes!
28 posted on 02/05/2004 8:59:22 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: hedgie
I am preparing to rip into my Councilwoman, Eva Moskowitz.

Did you know that the teachers' union is launching a big campaign to unseat her, because she had the nerve to highlight their wacky contracts in those hearings last year?

29 posted on 02/05/2004 9:01:07 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: NYC GOP Chick
I love term limits (Joe Schwarz, Laura Baird, Mike Hanley, Julie Dennis) and I hate them (John Engler, Mike Green, Candice Miller).

At least Gerson will be gone someday. Maybe you should run. :)

30 posted on 02/05/2004 9:02:36 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("I don’t want to get caught up in any of that Funky s**t goin’ down in the city" - Steve Miller)
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To: NYCVirago
She's actually one of the saner ones of that taxpayer-funded dumpster.
31 posted on 02/05/2004 9:03:01 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Where has all the JOEmentum gone?!)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Hey! Bill, do you support the Sullivan Law?

Nice catch Dan, I noticed that too. I forgot about it in trying to make the point that the NY Times ignored this story, but WaPo didn't.

32 posted on 02/05/2004 9:08:04 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I love term limits (Joe Schwarz, Laura Baird, Mike Hanley, Julie Dennis) and I hate them (John Engler, Mike Green, Candice Miller).

Term limits are essentially telling us that we're too stupid to know when we no longer wish to keep someone in office.

At least Gerson will be gone someday. Maybe you should run. :)

Don't laugh -- I've thought about it, for a couple of fleeting seconds. The job pays almost $100,000/year and City Hall is a quick walk from my apartment. Then again, given the makeup of my district, I'd go down in the most humiliating defeat possible.

To tell the truth, I'm so sick of the nambypamby liberal lite RINOs that get put up against Jerry "The MOAB" Nadler that I'm sometimes tempted to run against him just to put up a real conservative. Sure, I'd get about 3% of the vote (the Upper West Side, Chelsea, Greenwich Village and SoHo are in this district), but I'd give the 5 or so other Republicans in the district something about which to be enthusiastic when they go to vote. :D

33 posted on 02/05/2004 9:08:53 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Where has all the JOEmentum gone?!)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Term limits are essentially telling us that we're too stupid to know when we no longer wish to keep someone in office.

True. The only area I'd back them is for Congress with "Beltwayitis" which can really have an effect on some people.

Don't laugh -- I've thought about it, for a couple of fleeting seconds. The job pays almost $100,000/year and City Hall is a quick walk from my apartment. Then again, given the makeup of my district, I'd go down in the most humiliating defeat possible.

Do what some dems try and do in my district. Pretend to be republicans. :) If I was in NYC, I'd run as a "DINO" unless I was in Staten Island....and considering how many RINO's are in NY, sometimes I gotta wonder what the difference is. I think my last name alone would be good for 20% in some white areas.

I'm so sick of the nambypamby liberal lite RINOs that get put up against Jerry "The MOAB" Nadler that I'm sometimes tempted to run against him just to put up a real conservative.

Go for it.....for all I know he may eat his papers or forget to file. :)

34 posted on 02/05/2004 9:27:21 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("I don’t want to get caught up in any of that Funky s**t goin’ down in the city" - Steve Miller)
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To: Dan from Michigan
True. The only area I'd back them is for Congress with "Beltwayitis" which can really have an effect on some people.

Why? Are we too stupid to figure out when these congresscritters are past their expiration dates? If we are, then we deserve what we get.

Do what some dems try and do in my district. Pretend to be republicans. :) If I was in NYC, I'd run as a "DINO" unless I was in Staten Island....and considering how many RINO's are in NY, sometimes I gotta wonder what the difference is. I think my last name alone would be good for 20% in some white areas.

No can do. Besides the fact that it would go against my conscience, I'm too well known as a Republican. Hell, I'm on the Board of Governors of the NY Young Republican Club!

Anyway, there would be far too much competition in the 'rat primary. Hell, that's why Nurse Bloomberg suddenly became a Republican in 2001, because the 'rat field was overcrowded and the GOP one was almost empty.

35 posted on 02/05/2004 9:33:15 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Where has all the JOEmentum gone?!)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Why? Are we too stupid to figure out when these congresscritters are past their expiration dates? If we are, then we deserve what we get.

Dale Kildee has been there since 1977. John Conyers since 1965, and Carl Lenin has been a Sinator since the year I was born. Then there's John Dingell, who has been in Congress since my dad was 5 years old. My state's very smart on curing Washingtonitis.....(rolls eyes)

No can do. Besides the fact that it would go against my conscience, I'm too well known as a Republican. Hell, I'm on the Board of Governors of the NY Young Republican Club!

LOL. It's the same reason I can't vote in the dem caucuses(It would also be considered fraud since I'm a precinct delegate)!!

36 posted on 02/05/2004 9:51:28 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("I don’t want to get caught up in any of that Funky s**t goin’ down in the city" - Steve Miller)
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To: NYCVirago
She's been very good on education reform.

I think it is because she is having her feet held to the fire by Upper East Siders who fanatical about getting a good education for their kids.

The private schools are so expensive now that you have to have serious big bucks to send your kid. I mean $22,250 for kindergarten, wow! And that's if you can get in. But I'm sure you know all this.

So, yes, she get a lot of points for going up against Randi Weingarten and the UFT which is to your kid what private carting companies were to your garbage in the '80's. As the mayor in Animal House said "If you mention extortion again, I'll have your legs broken."

37 posted on 02/06/2004 4:46:39 AM PST by hedgie
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Why don't you run for city council? I'm tempted to. I am so sick of that thing being a sandbox for denizens of the NYC liberal cocktail party. They are so divorced from reality. But then again so are most of their constituents.
38 posted on 02/06/2004 4:52:18 AM PST by hedgie
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Let me be the first to welcome you when the time comes! We escaped from Kalifornia 8 years ago, and the only thing I miss is the ocean.

You'll LOVE Scottsdale, BTW!

39 posted on 02/07/2004 3:10:31 AM PST by IrishRainy
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