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To: Atlantic Friend; Michael81Dus
Well, t`was looking ok in the Preview... sorry.

Here it is again:


Posted by Hun in the sun to Michael81Dus
On News/Activism 02/05/2004 2:54:01 PM PST #104 of 135

>I lick noone feet.

So why are you giving the Freepers a false impression of the climate in Germany?

>Mr. Schröder and his comrades. In fact, he is the worst >Chancellor since Hitler!

Hm... you mean, beeing against a war is nearly as bad as starting one? In fact, Schroeder is just a Machtmensch. A red painted Kohl, no difference.

>Or would you say that Adenauer, Erhardt, Kiesinger, >Brandt, Schmidt or Kohl were worse than him??

Adenauer is the guy who sold german unity for the price of beeing a part of the NATO, instead of just beeing neutral... right?

>I personally blame Schröder for the rift between the US >and Germany, and not the German voters.

You blame him for following the word & idea of the Grundgesetz?

"Grundgesetz für die Bundesrepublik Deutschland vom 23.Mai 1949 Artikel 26.

Handlungen, die geeignet sind und in der Absicht vorgenommen werden, das friedliche Zusammenleben der Völker zu stören, insbeson­dere die Führung eines Angriffskrieges vorzubereiten, sind verfassungs­widrig. Sie sind unter Strafe zu stellen.

Strafgesetzbuch (StGB) der Bundesrepuplik Deutschland: § 80. Vorbereitung eines Angriffskrieges. Wer einen Angriffskrieg (Artikel 26 Abs. 1 des Grundgesetzes), an dem die Bundesrepublik Deutschland beteiligt sein soll, vorbereitet und dadurch die Gefahr eines Krieges für die Bundesrepublik Deutschland herbeiführt, wird mit lebenslanger Freiheitsstrafe oder mit Freiheitsstrafe nicht unter zehn Jahren bestraft.

And that`s for you, Mr. Jura:

§ 80a. Aufstacheln zum Angriffskrieg. Wer im räum­lichen Geltungs­bereich dieses Gesetzes öffent­lich, in einer Versammlung oder durch Verbreiten von Schrif­ten (§ 11 Abs. 3) zum Angriffskrieg (§ 80) auf­stachelt, wird mit Freiheits­strafe von drei Monaten bis zu fünf Jahren bestraft."

Ya studying law, aren`t you?

And you`re calling me a leftist??
I´m just defending our constitution,
while you are one-eyed. A Basic Law
is a Basic Law, not a base for discussions.
That`s also a "conservative" value, I`d say.

>How do you know wether majority of Germans oppose the US >the ballots on that??

How about talking to people, watching TV and radio, or read a newspaper?

>So STFU and don´t try to lecture me what I should think >or say!

I won`t, I`m a democrat... it`s just my opinion.

>It was not about going to war against Iraq and it was no >expression of disapproval with His Excellency, the >President of the United States of America, George Walker >Bush.

Dreamer.
It WAS a "was an expression of disapproval", that`s how Schroeder won... what else?

>Well, according to the polls, the voters now know what >was their fault - or how would you explain the historical >low of the Social DemocRATS and the absolute majority for >my party, the CDU/CSU???

Simple... War is over, daily problems have become more interesting again ...

>I´d really like to know wether you are conservative or >not.

I served in the army and am a Gov. Official, Bundesbeamter... which means I have sworn twice on the constituition. It seems *you* are the radical one in here, see my Grundgesetz quotes above....

>Tell me what you are! This is a conservative site. Tell me WHO YOU are?

You are a Bundeswehr Reservist. Keep your oath and read the Grundgesetz. BTW: PPL hate traitors and boot lickers, that`s why many of the Freepers don`t respect you.

I prefer to discuss on an equal level. We are
Allies, not Vassals.

Hun



Atlantic: I`ll translate the constitution quotes for
you, just send me mail...
137 posted on 02/06/2004 2:42:21 PM PST by Hun in the sun
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To: Hun in the sun; Atlantic Friend; Prodigal Son; hellinahandcart; Dog; risk; OESY
So why are you giving the Freepers a false impression of the climate in Germany?

I´m not. The election in 2002 was won by the SPD in the East, due to the pacifistic (not anti-american) attitude there and the floodings, if you recall.

Hm... you mean, being against a war is nearly as bad as starting one? In fact, Schroeder is just a Machtmensch. A red painted Kohl, no difference.

The way you´re talking about Dr. Kohl is deterring. In fact, I believe that it is absolutely wrong to allow a regime to oppress its own people, to kill hundreds of thousands opponents - like Saddam Hussein did. Therefore, ending the era Hussein was an honest act for humanity and needs applause rather than disapproval.

Adenauer is the guy who sold german unity for the price of being a part of the NATO, instead of just being neutral... right?

Sounds as if you don´t understand that Adenauers road to the west was one of the necessities for reunification. Only fools claim that the Stalin proposal 1952 was a honest trial to reunite Germany. Adenauer was absolutely right. You more and more prove me that you are a leftist.

You blame him for following the word & idea of the Grundgesetz?

No. I blame Schröder for crushing our economy, not caring about the people, making a foreign policy that sells our reputation and that leads to more killing. If Bush hadn´t invaded Iraq, how many people would have been killed by Saddam and his followers in addition to the hundreds of thousands?

Oh, and don´t try to lecture me on law. You have proven that you can read the law. But you failed to interprete it. May I remind you of the sentences of the highest Court in Germany - the only court that is entitled to interprete the Constitution? It ruled in 1999 and 2001 that the wars against Yugoslavia and Afghanistan, as well as the German participation, are fully compatible with the Constitution. Therefore, a NATO decision on Iraq would have been alright to send German troops to the desert.

A "conservative value" is to forbid discussions?? What are the Justices doing when talking about the interpretation of our constitution? Being silent? Discussions are necessary in our democracy. I can understand that you Iraq-war-opponent hate discussions - you really can´t defend your position on a basis of morality.

I won`t [lecture you on what you should think or say], I`m a democrat... it`s just my opinion.

Oh, sure. That´s why you call me a traitor when I express my support for the Iraq war and my opposition against the Schröder-Administration. That´s why you call me a "Held", when I say that the Iraq war served the interests of the Iraqi people.

How about talking to people, watching TV and radio, or read a newspaper?

No wonder, the media is absolutely biased against Bush. But have we voted on him? How can you even think you have a saying who should be US President? Do you want Americans to interfere in our election campaigns?

Dreamer. It [Election in 2002] WAS a "was an expression of disapproval" [for Bush], that`s how Schroeder won... what else?

Thanks for the "dreamer". You have a very interesting style of posting.

The election was neither about Bush, nor about the US. It was about German participation during the coming Iraq war and heavily influenced by the floodings in the East.

You are a Bundeswehr Reservist. Keep your oath and read the Grundgesetz. BTW: PPL hate traitors and boot lickers, that`s why many of the Freepers don`t respect you.

And your job as a servant of the Schröder administration qualifies you for what exactly?? You call me radical, just because I defend values you have forgotten respectively are willing to give up?? What about freedom for the people of Iraq, what about defending human rights and bringing down evil regimes? You don´t have to tell me that I should keep my vow (I didn´t need to loyally and to defend brave the right and the freedom of the German people. I cannot see how I would violate that vow by supporting the defeat of evil people, like Saddam Hussein.

Oh, and thanks for the news that "many don´t respect me". Can you explain me the difference between lacking respect and disagreements?

The legal issues, again, are no problem if we get a NATO decision on that. That´s what the Constitutional Court has hold several times. The precedents are Afghanistan and Kosovo.

And now it´s your turn: prove me that you are a conservative, now that you´ve shown that you disregard Kohl and Adenauer.

What do you think about less government, more self responsibility, more freedom and less social nanny-state?

What do you think about Ronald Reagan and his achievements during the Cold War?

That´ll say a lot about you and your true intentions. I´m very curious to know wether you are a disruptor or a FReeper. Let me know!

138 posted on 02/07/2004 3:09:52 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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