Senate to hold talks about guest workers - Bush’s reform plan does little for amnesty, citizenship

themonitor.com/ ^ | February 03,2004 | Ryan Gabrielson

[gubamyster]

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[angkor]

There is nothing in Bush?s plan that would help reunite families or create a path to citizenship

And if there is, no Republican will get my vote in 2004, maybe even in 2006 and 2008. Period.

"I think we?ve had an administrative nightmare," Cornyn said of the visa process.

Right. The *LEGAL* backlog is atrocious, and they'd better fix that first before tossing 12 million "guest worker" applications on top of the 5 million *LEGAL* immigrant applications from those who follow our laws and play by the rules.

They hypocrisy of Congress is astonishing. They know what the problems are and they refuse to act (it is a fact that technical immigration SNAFUs generate more contituent calls to Capitol Hill than any other issue without exception).

[KantianBurke]

CONTACT YOUR SNEATORS AND REPS!! KILL THIS BS!!

[COEXERJ145]

DOA in the House. Let the Senate waste its time on this. At least they're busy chasing a dead issue instead of finding stupid that they can enact.

[Hop A Long Cassidy]

Great post.

>>>"There are now millions of visa applications backing up the process within the Department of Homeland Security."

Then more millions would be added overnite. Great timing.

Question: what if these millions of TEMPORARRRRRY workers do not currently pay any income taxes? Will they be forced to account for their past wages? Would one working for $8 / hour in cash want to spill the beans about his employer not withholding wages? How would the employer feel about that? Should that employer be prosecuted?

The first step in immigration reform is to...

carry out the current laws.

What part of this does the executive branch not understand?

First move: protect the borders. Second move: carry out the remaining laws by ejecting those without visas or over-staying their visas.

Until the first move is made, protecting the borders, we'll know that all of their protestations are just hot air antics. Shuck and Jive. Shuck and Jive.

Just like the last time.

Hoppy

PS: for our international readers, shuck is the outside of a pea or corn. If you shuck something you throw it away as worthless. Jive is jazz music but also means to talk non-sense. Shuck and Jive is a phrase that means Same old B*** S*** and that certainly applies here.

[DumpsterDiver]

Taking a cue from your screen name:

Quite a few Congressmen need to Hop A train and begin a Long journey that takes them into oblivion.

[JustPiper]

Bush’s reform plan does little for amnesty, citizenship

This is a good thing!

[Orangedog]

"Bush’s proposal would grant all undocumented illegal immigrants who can prove their employment a work permit that would last for three years. At the end of that time, it would be renewable for another three years."

There, cleansed of the PC crap meant to sweep the fact that this is an amnesty plan under the rug.

[Orangedog]

This is a good thing!

This rewards breaking the law.

Can I get a "get out of jail free" or a tax cut if I go score a dime-bag tonight?[/sarcasm]

[Happy2BMe]

Senate to hold talks about guest workers - Bush’s reform plan does little for amnesty, citizenship.

"Bush’s proposal would grant all undocumented immigrants who can prove their employment a work permit that would last for three years. At the end of that time, it would be renewable for another three years."

Any of you going to FREEP these hearings?

:~)

[Sabertooth]

Cornyn said the Senate hearing will key in on creating a guest worker program that allows those here illegally to receive work permits, save money and then return home. Bush repeatedly has said he opposes amnesty.

Effect on Illegal Aliens	Reagan Amnesty	Bush Amnesty
Legalizes millions, but not all, Illegal Aliens.	Yes	Yes
Charges a fee to Illegal Aliens for legalization.	Yes	Yes
Initially grants temporary, not permanent status to Illegal Aliens.	Yes	Yes
Provides path for subsequent permanent status for legalized Illegals.	Yes	Yes
Provides path to eventual U.S. citizenship for legalized Illegals.	Yes	Yes
Wasn't officially called an Amnesty	Yes	Yes

Take the Reagan Amnesty Pop Quiz!

[Sabertooth]

"Bush’s proposal would grant all undocumented illegal immigrants

"Bush’s proposal would grant all undocumented illegal immigrants aliens.

If they're Illegal, they aren't immigrants; they're tresspassers.

[Orangedog]

good catch. there's just so much to target about this.

[Ben Ficklin]

You better call the Monitor and staighten them out about Reagan and amnesty.

"......since 1986, when Reagan granted amnesty to millions...."

[Sabertooth]

You better call the Monitor and staighten them out about Reagan and amnesty.

"......since 1986, when Reagan granted amnesty to millions...."

The point, actually, is that to split hairs to make the Bush Amnesty "not an Amnesty," you'd have to do the same for the Reagan Amnesty.

If people tried to put for the propostion that the Reagan Amnesty wasn't, they'd be met with chuckles.

So too, with the Bush Amnesty.

[browardchad]

Here’s the awesome enforcement funding for the amnesty program (take a deep breath before viewing):

Bush budget adds hundreds of immigration enforcement jobs

My favorite line:

The staffing increases would be the first for the office in two years, according to Anthony Tangeman, director of detention and removals in ICE. "If we continue to prove our worth to the Congress and the Office of Management and Budget, hopefully our program will grow over the years," he said Tuesday.

And another good one:

The budget also would fund 60 positions to oversee ICE's intensive supervision appearance program, an attempt to encourage aliens to appear at their immigration court hearings.

Gosh, I hope they don’t force them to appear – that might mean enforcing the law, and we wouldn’t want that, would we?

What a joke.

[Ben Ficklin]

While you are straightening out the Monitor on the Reagan-amnesty thingy, you can also straighten them out on Bush because, according to you, they got that wrong also.

[TLI]

Gosh, I hope they don’t force them to appear – that might mean enforcing the law, and we wouldn’t want that, would we?

Oh no, they definitely said "encourage." I suppose they will offer cake and doorprizes next. Maybe free lunch.

Maybe I will wake up from this psycho's nightmare too.

[waRNmother.armyboots]

Some democrats do not think it goes far enough and some republicans think it goes too far. That means it is probable the right solution to a problem. My only concern is that the border security be tightened before this is implemented. We desperately need to stop the influx and deal with the illegal immigrants that are already here.