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To: Modernman
Even among heterosexuals? Even as part of a more general procreative regime?

Heterosexual sodomy? Of course it can be criminalized, in principle. In practice, it isn't practical. Enforcement would create more problems than it would solve.

Since they are also members of society, they harm society, just as a single broken egg damages a dozen eggs.

How so? Nobody in a society has a duty to procreate. Do you propose requiring everyone to have X number of children during their lifetime?

Participation in unnatural acts (i.e., bulemia) harms those engaged in them. Abusing one's reproductive powers is a greater form of self-abuse than something like bulemia since it is an abuse of one of man's noblest powers, the power of procreation. A pervert diminishes himself just as a theif diminishes himself. Since a pervert is a member of society, his diminishment directly diminishes society (society is simply a collection of individuals, the welfare of which is more important than the welfare of a single individual). Moreover, someone who engages in sodomy is diminished by the act and is disposed to harm society in other ways.

Such is certainly the case regarding sodomy. This crime strikes at the heart of society, since without procreation society itself ceases to exist.

If an individual chooses no to procreate, that is no business of society.

It isn't? Without new generations, society ceases to exist. Certainly, single people aren't obligated to procreate, since fornication is an evil. But married people are obligated to procreate, within reason. (See On the Regulation of Birth)

282 posted on 02/04/2004 11:30:12 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
Heterosexual sodomy? Of course it can be criminalized, in principle.

So, you have no problems intruding into the private sexual lives of consenting adults? That type of love of government intrusiveness is not a conservative position. In any event, whether you like it or not, the courts of this great nation have ruled that consenting adults have the right to engage in whatever private sexual activity they desire. If you don't like it, you can always move to Iran.

Since a pervert is a member of society, his diminishment directly diminishes society

Seeing as the vast majority of Americans engage or have engaged in some form of sodomy, it seems that those who do not are the perverts.

(society is simply a collection of individuals, the welfare of which is more important than the welfare of a single individual)

Thank you, Chairman Mao. The inalienable rights of the individual trump the welfare of society.

Certainly, single people aren't obligated to procreate, since fornication is an evil.

No, it isn't. Enforcing outdated notions of morality on unwilling adults is evil. But thank you for bringing us a dash of the 12th century. Maybe stonings for fornicators would be something you support?

But married people are obligated to procreate, within reason.

Would you sanction enforcing this at gunpoint? Because, at the end of the day, that is what laws do. How many children should each married couple be forced to have, in your theocratic regime?

290 posted on 02/04/2004 11:42:14 AM PST by Modernman ("The details of my life are quite inconsequential...." - Dr. Evil)
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