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To: Mudboy Slim
Paul, your post gives the impression that you believe voters should just go to the polls once every couple of years and then shut up and take whatever our elected leaders dish out in the interim

I guess I missed the part where I said that. The article discusses the pending political suicide of the GOP vis a vis the immigration action. It does so in a near hysterical tone. The WH is full of political strategists that were astute enough to get Pres Bush elected in an election where he was probably viewed as less competent than he will be this time around against an opponent that I think was more formidable than kerry will be. Additionally, congress is full of politicians that will probably not self implode by doing something obviously stupid. I believe the WH and the congress have gotten the message from the voters re immigration. The Pres didn't even mention it in his SOTU message. Moreover, he has already heard from the GOP in congress on this issue. My comments were regarding the gist of the article and a (I believe) totally unnecessary call to action presented in an almost emergency like manner. My comments had nothing to do with political action in general nor the immigration problem as it is today.

24 posted on 02/03/2004 8:32:53 PM PST by paul51
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To: paul51
"Paul, your post gives the impression that you believe voters should just go to the polls once every couple of years and then shut up and take whatever our elected leaders dish out in the interim..."

"I guess I missed the part where I said that."

You just called it "whining" when folks complain about Dubyuh's domestic policy and I prefer to view it as constructive criticism of the performance of the folks we voted to put into office. FReepers are a unique breed 'cuz we tend to pay more attention to these issues than the average folks who talk to pollsters. When we--who voted fer Dubyuh and contributed to his campaign and even rushed the courthouse where the ballots were be recounted and recounted in December '00--when we start bitchin', it makes political sense fer Dubyuh's advisors to pay attention, imho.

"The article discusses the pending political suicide of the GOP vis a vis the immigration action. It does so in a near hysterical tone."

I guess I missed the hysteria, my FRiend...to me, it seemed more resolute than anything else.

"The WH is full of political strategists that were astute enough to get Pres Bush elected in an election where he was probably viewed as less competent than he will be this time around against an opponent that I think was more formidable than Kerry will be. Additionally, congress is full of politicians that will probably not self implode by doing something obviously stupid. I believe the WH and the congress have gotten the message from the voters re immigration. The Pres didn't even mention it in his SOTU message."

This is very good, imho...some more cynical than I would even go so far as to assume that perhaps Dubyuh presented his plan knowing it was going to be DOA in Congress just so he could get credit from the Hispanic community fer proposing it while knowing he never had to fear it becoming law.

"Moreover, he has already heard from the GOP in congress on this issue. My comments were regarding the gist of the article and a (I believe) totally unnecessary call to action presented in an almost emergency like manner. My comments had nothing to do with political action in general nor the immigration problem as it is today."

Fair enough...I mistook your comments as deriding citizen activism against issues or policies we disagree with. IMHO, our elected leaders benefit greatly from our ongoing input during the interval between elections...and if they heed our input, I believe they stand a much better chance of enjoying reelection.

FReegards...MUD

25 posted on 02/03/2004 8:48:31 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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