[oceanview]

every death is tragic, and devasting to the families.

but most americans have lost their perspective. how many men were killed off the first few landing craft at normandy? probably more then the 500+ we have lost in iraq, if you've seen Saving Private Ryan, those men coming off the landing craft were mowed down.

[cripplecreek]

That is exactly my point. My grandad was twice wounded on that beach that day, yet he pushed on. It was hard to understand why he did continue as so many around him were dying. All he ever said about it was "it had to be done".

One thing grandad said was that america used to face war as a nation, i dont think we do that anymore.

[SandRat]

Oh yes, in the battle for Sicily in WWII US and British dead totaled 5,532 between July 10th and August 18th or 145+ a day.

If these weak kneed sob sisters and PM Chamberlain appeasers had been around then; everyone still barely living east of the Rockies would be speaking German and everyone west of the Rockies would be speaking Japanese.