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1 posted on 02/02/2004 4:27:16 PM PST by KQQL
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2 posted on 02/02/2004 4:27:38 PM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: KQQL
Who appointed this pig?
3 posted on 02/02/2004 4:36:03 PM PST by KantianBurke (Principles, not blind loyalty)
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How will any partial birth abortion ban stand as long as a "health exception" is not included? But if the "health exception" is included, then of course that is no ban at all.

When doctors testify that this abortion procedure is never needed for health reasons, how can these judges still claim a "health exception" must be included?

I fear the federal ban won't stand either, for the same reason. Enforcement has already been blocked by a "judge".

It is paramount that Roe V. Wade and Doe V. Bolton be overturned and the power returned to the states, who can then ban abortion all the want. As it stands, millions of children will continue to be slaughtered. This is unconscionable and it seems like nothing can be done about.
4 posted on 02/02/2004 4:36:20 PM PST by DameAutour (It's not Bush, it's the Congress.)
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He also has challenged the use of the term ``partial birth infanticide'' by the law's backers, saying it was an attempt to alarm the public.

Oh, hogwash! Yet this is not alarming the public? "The suit alleged that the ``vaguely defined'' ban could subject doctors to criminal prosecution even for safely performing a more common type of second-trimester abortion known as ``dilation and evacuation,'' as well as obstetrical procedures that help women suffering miscarriages.

6 posted on 02/02/2004 4:42:17 PM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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"saying the law violated privacy rights "

Guess that little boy or girl ain't entitled to privacy.........
8 posted on 02/02/2004 4:59:45 PM PST by international american (50 days till age 50)
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This makes it clear enough that the so-called partial-birth abortion ban only address one kind of late term abortion.

I get the feeling sometimes that pro-lifers aren't aware of how limited the ban actually is.
9 posted on 02/02/2004 5:02:14 PM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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"The judge blocked the law last July, the day it went into effect, calling it a ``no-brain case.'

As in SUCKED OUT BABY BRAIN?

What a sick ass*ole this guy is!
12 posted on 02/02/2004 5:33:42 PM PST by observer5
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"allowing the procedure when the health of the mother is threatened."

BS, if the baby is already half out of the mother, how can it be a health risk to the mother. You mena to say it is safer for the mother to have some butcher go into her ... with a sharp tool and have the baby brain sucked out?

These people are worst than HITLER!
13 posted on 02/02/2004 5:36:02 PM PST by observer5
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There sure are a lot of sickos out there and this judge appears to be one.
14 posted on 02/02/2004 5:41:42 PM PST by freekitty
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U.S. District Judge Richard L. Williams is one sick SOB. It is should be noted that John F'ing Kerry is a strong supporter of partial birth abortion - yes another sick SOB.
15 posted on 02/02/2004 5:53:35 PM PST by PattonReincarnated (Rebuild the Temple)
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Can't we impeach these murderous Nazi judges? He is right, he has no brain and easily made the decision without thought.
16 posted on 02/02/2004 6:14:30 PM PST by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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What's that diabolical laugh you hear? It's just another federal judge losing his immortal soul!
17 posted on 02/02/2004 6:18:05 PM PST by Dionysius
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The power of liberal judges need to be aborted.
18 posted on 02/02/2004 6:21:01 PM PST by Kuksool
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The judge blocked the law last July, the day it went into effect, calling it a ``no-brain case.''

Boy, is that ever an ironic comment.
Because partial birth abortion involves evacuating the nearly-born baby's skull of its brain matter. See, when the baby is all born except for the top of her little head, the surgical scissors are screwed into the base of the skull and the baby's brains are sucked out so that the baby's skull can be collapsed and a dead baby can be born extracted.

(Democrats love this stuff - - lots of money in it.)

So when this scumbag judge, Richard L. Williams, calls it a ``no-brain case'', he is amusing himself with his clever wit and having himself a real knee-slapping laugh at the expense of opponents of this gruesome procedure. Williams is basically sneering that the joke is on them.

This Williams is one sick dog.

19 posted on 02/02/2004 6:32:36 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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Pro-Life OUTRAGE
20 posted on 02/02/2004 6:41:31 PM PST by Maeve (Pray the Chaplet of Divine Mercy!)
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Pro-Life OUTRAGE
21 posted on 02/02/2004 6:43:53 PM PST by Maeve (Pray the Chaplet of Divine Mercy!)
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Sick.
23 posted on 02/02/2004 7:26:35 PM PST by Republican Wildcat (Vote 3rd Party or stay at home so we can have more judges like this!)
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I read that either the AMA or JAMA has said that there is no benefit to the mother to perform this procedure. Therefore the "Health of the mother" exception argument is moot.

Look at it this way. The baby is delivered, except the head, including the largest parts, the hips and shoulders. Once those are delivered the mother would actually have to stop pushing, or the head would be delivered almost effortlessly after the rest of the body

The mother would have to stop pushing long enough for the Dr. to stab the base of the baby's skull and suck out the brains. That in itself would take a long amount of time, and frankly, I doubt most women could do it.

In my own two deliveries, the Dr. told me to stop pushing so he could do the episiotomies. There was no way I could stop. The urge to push was too strong. Partial birth abortion is done for one reason only. To kill the baby.

24 posted on 02/02/2004 7:29:55 PM PST by passionfruit (passionate about my politics, and from the land of fruits and nuts)
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Lawyers for the Center for Reproductive Rights, who filed the suit, argued that the law was unconstitutional because it disregarded a four-year-old Supreme Court ruling allowing the procedure when the health of the mother is threatened.

From Priests For Life

The Court argued, furthermore, that a "health reason" for the Partial-birth abortion procedure was present if, in the judgment of the physician, it was safer than alternative procedures. One of the problems with this line of argument is that one can identify many circumstances in which it is safer for the mother to deliver the child normally than to have a partial-birth abortion. Normal delivery excludes the dangers that arise from inverting the position of the child, and from inserting surgical instruments into the birth canal. Why not argue, therefore, that "live-birth abortion" should be legal as a safer alternative to partial-birth abortion. People like Jill Stanek have exposed this practice, in which children marked for abortion are born alive and then killed. This is exactly where the logic of partial-birth abortion leads.

THE PARTIAL BIRTH PROCEDURE

A common abortion procedure performed in the second trimester is Dilatation and Evacuation (D & E), in which the child is dismembered with forceps. Standard abortion textbooks such as Warren Hern's Abortion Practice describe the procedure in detail.

The D&E Procedure

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26 posted on 02/02/2004 8:43:13 PM PST by NYer (Ad Jesum per Mariam)
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Ping!
27 posted on 02/02/2004 8:44:00 PM PST by NYer (Ad Jesum per Mariam)
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