A return to submissive wives?

Boston.com ^ | 2 February 2004 | Cathy Young

[hobbes1]

Then on that we can agree. Society does not.


Parents Do.

[RosieCotton]

this society has not produced individuals who understand and are equipped to sucessfully maintain said committment.

Not a one! It's incredible!

You know...you don't mean to be, but you're amusing.

[RosieCotton]

Ah...good answer.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

Hopefully, if I raise my son right, he will never marry.

You obviously either

a) Do not want grandchildren

b) Want any of your son's children to be bastards.

c) have such a miserable life, that you want to make sure that your son will not experience any happiness and love, because 'you raised him right'.

[KantianBurke]

True. However thanks to the major cultural shifts that were initiated in the 1960's most 20 somethings do not come from two parent homes, have not been raised by both a Mom and a Dad and those that have, have been hit with quite a bit of leftist propoganda with particular emphasis on feminism. "The War Against Boys" was quite explicit about this. Or you can look at the acceptance rate of "gay marriage" in the young. Their approval of that indicates a very BIG misunderstanding as to why marriage is special. End result is plenty of young adults who are ill suited to marriage.

[KantianBurke]

Your continued harping on how much you want to get married should be enough evidence for any possible suitor to STAY CLEAR. Those that wish for matrimony are usually those most unsuited for it.

[RosieCotton]

Thanks for your opinion.

[Woahhs]

Regardless of whether the pictures were taken privately or intended to be shown publicly, it IS STILL PORNOGRAPHY. Just because it wasn't in 'Hustler' doesn't mean that the intent when taken was pornographic in nature

You obviously have no sense of shame. I had only heard stories of public school administrators so contemptibly officious they'd enforce the zero-tolerance policy on children making a gun out of thumb and finger. Now I've actually met such a loathsome creature. I'm thankful the association gets filtered through the internet first, but I still feel the need to shower.

I am beginning to think you might actually believe you did answer my refutations.

[HairOfTheDog]

Its easier to assume one has some sort of emotional problem rather than have any validity in such a view. How about this - take it as a given that a poster who espouses such a view is nutty - and respond to their comments regardless?

I didn't say you are nutty.... I think you sounded bitter. You are walking around exclaming that society has produced no women worth marrying, and that somehow Britney Spears and Paris Hilton are representative of normal women. The rest are angry feminists. Well, there are very few Britneys in real life, and I don't know many angry feminists in real life either. Most are just people, doing the best they can in this life. Some do better than others.

I have been cheated a few times.... I have had a few periods in my life where I was lonely. It is tempting to blame and get angry or jealous or tell people on internet forums that you aren't single and lonely, you are just abstaining from marriage because women are no damn good and you don't want it. But I don't believe it. The future woman in your life was not the cause of your current level of baggage or the state of marriage in this country. She's just a girl that has been trying to live about as long as you have and knows about as much about getting along. Don't dismiss her, she has as much potential to be happy with you as you have.

OK Dan.... I argued with him.

[hobbes1]

True, but in all fairness I am biased. I am already 40. So is my Wife.



Her parents are in their 80's.

[RosieCotton]

OK Dan.... I argued with him.

LOL!

[realpatriot71]

i haven't given up on marriage. i still believe it can work, the way God intended it to work. :)

I think the most important point in scripture of the marital relationship comes when the husband submits to the Lord first. With this in mind as the proper relationship of the husband with God, if the husband is not submissive before God, then neither should the wife "submit" to a man who will not love her as Christ loved the church. All humans come to a happy existance through submission to the Law of Liberety and will of the Lord.

[KantianBurke]

You should quit attempting to psychoanalysize and focus on the points that I raised. You have yet to refute any.

With regards to your assertion that not all girls are Britney Spears, you're quite correct. Not every woman is outwardly akin to the tart queen. That said my earlier comments were that parentental influence is, at best, nonexistent and at worse culpiable when it comes to raising furture husbands and wives. The young never were taught the needed skills to make a marriage work. Sexual liberation, metrosexuals and the youth support of gay marriage are proof.

[BibChr]

Ahhh.

All better!

Dan
(c8

[HairOfTheDog]

What issues? That there are issues in the world? - Yes, there are. There are issues in the world. Some people think differently than you about what the issues are and how to solve them, but some people will agree with you. Some care about these issues and some don't. Some have fun at living life and some obsess on issues they neither caused nor are able to fix.

I happen to think this is a pretty great country where we have the luxury of playing politics as a hobby instead of scraping for survival all the time. I don't think we are as screwed up and hopeless as you do. And for what it's worth.... the most traditional, conservative single women I know right now are under 25.

[CajunConservative]

Neatness is one of those things that's too much effort for the truly lazy too fake for long.

Just because a woman knows how to keep house does not mean they have good character. My stepmother is a classic example of that. She was spotless housekeeper, but an evil person. Let's just say if she's one of those women you watch on Lifetime Movie Networks, the cold calculating conniving kind.

The Bible has many passages that give guidelines for suitable marriage partners. If a person is a believer they should be exhibiting certain behaviors. Here's a good place to get an idea on what to look for and what to avoid, Galatians 5:13-26.

[k2blader]

Nothing at all wrong with submissive wives in the Biblical sense. Husbands are to love their wives as Christ loves the Church. (Which is the taller order? :-)

Can't say I entirely agree with Dr. Laura, tho' I respect her opinion. It takes two to tango.

[KantianBurke]

You need to refrain from mischaracterizing my posts. At no point did I ever say the situation was "hopeless" or that this country is "doomed." If you wish for a list of actions that should be taken to save marriage I'd be more than happy to list them. However your attitude of simple dismissal and of undocumentable ancedotal evidence isn't one of them. There is a problem and wishing it away or calling people who point that out names won't solve it.

[HairOfTheDog]

For my optimism, you have an equal and opposite negativism.

You can make a list if you want of actions that should be taken to save marriage. In the abstract on an internet forum, those issues are interesting. I was more interested in YOU not sounding like a bitter FR caveman. No woman you meet wants to wear your blanket condemnation of her and her kind!

[KantianBurke]

Once again with the personalization of this issue. If it makes you feel better to trivialize and call me a "caveman" then by all means do so. That's not being constructive. I put forth a position that marriage today is a pretty stupid idea and gave reasons why I think it is so. Am also willing to point out how marriage can be saved. Its called attempting to be constructive. Feel free to refute.