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To: tpaine
Whats wrong with that? It a valid diagramic method, not a 'fallacy'.

It is a fallacy, in the sense that he's treating the matrix as if it were fully descriptive of the problem. It's not, as my Somalia example shows.

Who said anarchy is preferred? Are straw man ploys your main posting tactic?

The fact that both anarchy and libertarianism fit in that corner of the matrix merely proves the point: Lord's analysis is not complete. There's more to the puzzle.

Wrong. Our constitution worked just fine til a bunch of blue nosed socialistic moralists started violating it back in the early 1900's. -- Been downhill for liberty ever since.

I think you need to look at what those folks were responding to, before you blame it all on them. There was plenty of blame to go around, including to industrialists who really were greedy, to the detriment of others.

Between 1800 & 1900 probably the most 'misbehaved' people on earth were americans.. Get a grip on your empty rhetoric.

I think you'd be rather hard-pressed to prove that.

8 posted on 01/30/2004 2:28:50 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb; Roscoe
Whats wrong with that? Its a valid diagramic method, not a 'fallacy'. <

It is a fallacy, in the sense that he's treating the matrix as if it were fully descriptive of the problem.

"Fully discriptive" is just more of your straw man hype. His diagram is a good way to describe political opposites, and how all can meet in the middle of the diamond, among reasonable men.

It's not, as my Somalia example shows.

You 'showed' us nothing. Anarchy is at the bottom of the libertarian diamond. Rationality is near the top, in the middle.

Who said anarchy is preferred? Are straw man ploys your main posting tactic?

The fact that both anarchy and libertarianism fit in that corner of the matrix merely proves the point: Lord's analysis is not complete. There's more to the puzzle.

What is missing? Your generalizations are getting repetitive already.

--- Our constitution worked just fine til a bunch of blue nosed socialistic moralists started violating it back in the early 1900's. -- Been downhill for liberty ever since.

I think you need to look at what those folks were responding to, before you blame it all on them. There was plenty of blame to go around, including to industrialists who really were greedy, to the detriment of others.

Thank you Mr Marx, and you too Ms Nation..

Between 1800 & 1900 probably the most 'misbehaved' people on earth were americans.. Get a grip on your empty rhetoric.

I think you'd be rather hard-pressed to prove that.

Obvious historical fact requires no proof for reasonable men.
Find a roscoe type to argue with if you want to argue cites & quotes.

10 posted on 01/30/2004 3:15:44 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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