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[Ophiucus]

He is far to the left of social conservatives. You know the ones, the Reagan revolutionaries.

Where do you derive that, not from your links. He was a big influence on Reagan and his philosophy of government.

Goldwater was strictly a "fiscal" conservative and not really all that dogmatic on the principle.

Again, I don't get that - unless it is your proposition that a conservative should advocate government involvement to solve social issues.

He NEVER went after the true liberals; he just attacked those "country club" republicans in class warfare rhetoric that would have made Marx blush.

Unsubstantiated - he was critical of the influence of religious organizations transforming the Republican party into a tool for enforcing religious change upon the government and politics.

He had a very good point there. It is contrary to the goals of a democratic republic and in the long run, he feared it would weaken the party as it drove the center away.

[Kryptonite]

Arne's facetious, really facetious.

I'm okay with that.

[jmstein7]

Anyone who says "Reps" is clearly from DU - that's a term they use. No conservitive says "reps".

It's GOP, dammit... G O P. Or "pubbies".

Please, go back to DU... nobody is buying your crap.

[Brad’s Gramma]

He's not from DU. He told me so. Why, without even being ASKED or SUGGESTED, he told me so.

:-)

[Torie]

Where did the 38% figure come from? My research suggests more like 30%. The 14% regarding regulation, is impossible to come up with, absent the most tendentious assumptions. And counting the costs levied on those that impose negative externalities is equally tendentious. Some might characterize that as just trying to internalize costs into the price system. Tossing around stats requires back up and explanation around here, at least for me.

[PRND21]

higher folks are LESS PISSED

I concur.

[Sabertooth]

But, punk ... you will never give me a reinstatement here. Sorry.

I have no idea what effect, if any, my request may have had. I'll tell you why I made it, though.

It was because of that apology of yours some time ago. It was a good turn you did, and I wanted to return it.

[Ophiucus]

Do you see now the dilemma Bush faces? There is NO decision he can make that will not make a significant portion of his so-called "base" angry to the point of non-support.

That's part of the point. One of the argument's of those of us who are accused of being bushbots is that no candidate or office-holder can be 100% in agreement with anyone. It's the overall job that matters.

If he took YOUR approach all of the social conservative "base" would scream

Yep. and if he doesn't then you and your fellow libertarian brethren would scream just as loud.

Them's fightin' words - libertarian. The ONLY thing Bush can do is what he feels is right and let the "base" scream. I like that in the guy

And so do many of us here - but it means not being a "true conservative" which starts the whole furball over again.

[Kryptonite]

My money's on you - both of ya'll, but that's not coming from the front row, but the cheap seats.

[jmstein7]

No bona fide FReeper calls the President "Dubya" either. Again, go back to DU, DUmmy.

[Texasforever]

No, you are defining conservatism from your own libertarian perspective. Goldwater used the John Birch Society as his springboard based on ant-communism and the far-right's conspiracy theories grouped under the umbrella of "Rockefeller Republicans". It is true that he gave Reagan's nomination speech but, after Reagan assumed office with Bush the first as his VP and repudiated his own ties to the JBS both the Birchers and Goldwater turned on him with a vengeance. Goldwater became even MORE contemptuous of Reagan when he became the beneficiary of the vast movement of the "religious right" into the "big tent" that led to his second term landslide. Goldwater could never forgive the GOP for his dismal presidential run and he viewed the GOP as his mortal enemy from that point forward.

[Torie]

What exactly is it that you concur in? I ask that in a friendly way.

[Bush2004]

I'll second that.

[jmstein7]

Regarding "Nanodik", which part of the word "Troll" don't you guys get???

He's using all the DU lingo (yes, I admit it... I go there... I like to study the enemy). Don't waste your time with that jerk.

[Ophiucus]

Is this ArneFufkin guy for real?

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Then your " training " is failing you; constantly. ~~ nopardons

I have not now, nor have I ever, any personal disagreements with you. In fact, I have always enjoyed our dicsussions.

But if you wish to make a point... then make your point.

Meaning no offense -- you haven't advanced any Arguments, you've only claimed that I have "failed" in my "training". Well... I am Trained in the School of Jerry Falwell, "nopardons", and I have always relished our success (the backwoods, buck-toothed, redneck Baptists of Liberty University are actually the most sucessful Debate Program in American History) against the Atheists and Humanists of the Ivy League.

So if you wish to make a point... then make your point.

I'll gladly discuss any subject you wish to entertain... but unless you advance an Argument, I'm not likely to take your "criticisms" of my "training" very seriously, if you haven't proclaimed the Cause of Fundamentalism against the ramparts of the Ivy League... as I have.

Cordially, OP

[Ophiucus]

lol...and how was my perspective so libertarian?

[Texasforever]

Them's fightin' words - libertarian.

That was NOT meant as an insult, if you took it that way I am very sorry. However your views on social issues are decidedly libertarian in philosophy and I share a few of them.

[PRND21]

The posts and poster remain. Management is less pissed than Arne.

Go Arne Go