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So, if you follow the last post I did, its still 10-12 years to apply for citiznership. You have to get a green card before you can apply for citiznership. So they are still 5 years behind.

They can file five years after receiving green cards, and get their citizenship a year or two after that.
Assume 3 "guest worker" years, and call it 10 years total.
You're still rewarding Illegals with citizenship.
In addition, Illegals definitely aren't five years behind those foreign nationals who are still waiting in line, playing by the rules, and didn't come in Illegally.

Hard to find 8 million and kick them out.

They know where to find themselves, and kick themselves out.
The solution, in large part, is self-deportation of Illegal Aliens.
They Will Deport Themselves

Eighteen Illegal Alien solutions that are better than any Amnesty

25% of Pakistani Illegal Aliens Deported Themselves since 2001 -
Facts against the Bush Amnesty
The false dilemma behind the Bush Amnesty

You do not have to catch them all, just start deporting them.

Overstays are easiest to remove. Hook up the deportation orders with the NCIC. Heck, hook up I-94 overstay data to the NCIC. Every arestee is run through NCIC, if a illegal immigrant pops up, an imigration hold is put on them.

If anyone saw O'Reily last night, Judge Colton has just helped to push illegals away from palm beach because they now know that border partol will be called by "some judge".

(odd given how many illegals the Palm Beach wealthy hire.)

Politics.

Triangulation works.

Now Bush's plan is less that Kerry's.

Would voters who would vote for Bush based on his plan, for whatever reasons, be more impressed by Kerry's.

I think so. So the vote gathering pander aspect of the amnesty is Kaput, as with Kerry's proposal, 5 years here, automatic green card.

Sweet, legals should consider petitioning based on the same logic that they've been here that long as well.