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Dozens interrogated in mass grave probe
B92 News ^ | 27 January 2004

Posted on 01/28/2004 9:26:31 AM PST by mark502inf

BELGRADE -- Tuesday – Police in Serbia have questioned 65 people in connection with a mass grave on the outskirts of Belgrade, B92 learns from the office of the war crimes prosecutor.

The individuals have been interrogated as part of a preliminary criminal investigation, while 44 of 88 potential witnesses have also been interviewed.

According to information seen by B92, so far the remains of 707 ethnic Albanian victims have been exhumed from the mass grave on a police training ground in Batajnica.

The remains of 186 corpses have been identified, and 120 returned to relatives in Kosovo.

The Batajnica mass grave is one of several cases being investigated by Serbia’s war crimes prosecutor, who was appointed in July last year.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: balkans; justice; kosovo; massgraves; milosevic; serbia; serbians; warcrimes
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Getting over the Milosevic legacy. Here's an interview with a Belgrade police captain talking about how Albanians killed in Kosovo were taken to Serbia in an effort by Slobo to hide war-crimes.
1 posted on 01/28/2004 9:26:32 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
But the guys at indymedia told me that Slobo was framed!

Then again, some people on here tell me the same thing.
2 posted on 01/28/2004 9:32:38 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: mark502inf
victims of UN apathy
3 posted on 01/28/2004 9:44:16 AM PST by cripplecreek (.50 cal border fence)
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To: mark502inf
How can this be?

There were no war crimes. There were no mass murders. Slobo is being framed.

.../sarcasm.

4 posted on 01/28/2004 9:48:07 AM PST by Khurkris (Ranger On...)
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To: Khurkris
There certainly weren't mass graves on the scale that we have found in Iraq, that's for sure...
5 posted on 01/28/2004 10:01:49 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: bolobaby
"There certainly weren't mass graves on the scale that we have found in Iraq, that's for sure..."

Interesting comment. I am not sure what the reason for it is. The mass graves in Cambodia are much larger also. This does not lessen the crimes mentioned here. The degree of barbarism shown by one murdering despot does not mitigate the barbarism of another.

6 posted on 01/28/2004 10:08:05 AM PST by Khurkris (Ranger On...)
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To: Khurkris
The degree of barbarism shown by one murdering despot does not mitigate the barbarism of another.

Well said.

RLTW, Khurkris.

7 posted on 01/28/2004 10:51:33 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: Khurkris
Haven't really seen the FR Slobo fan club turn up on this thread yet...
8 posted on 01/28/2004 12:01:11 PM PST by John H K
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To: mark502inf
“707 ethnic Albanian victims have been exhumed from the mass grave on a police training ground in Batajnica.
The remains of 186 corpses have been identified, and 120 returned “

If 186 were identified how you can tell all 707 of them are Albanians? Any proof who killed them? KLA, NATO, Serbs?

Any names, ID on 186 identified bodies? Description, address something? Civilians, terrorist, man, women, children? Why only 120 bodies were returned?
9 posted on 01/28/2004 1:03:45 PM PST by moroz (Genesis 49:16-18)
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To: John H K
Speaking of the ...
10 posted on 01/28/2004 1:18:25 PM PST by GeraldP (Feja e shqiptarit eshte Shqiptaria)
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To: GeraldP
The Freezer Truck Hoax
11 posted on 01/28/2004 1:25:13 PM PST by moroz (Genesis 49:16-18)
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To: moroz
The site looks vaguely familiar .... Oh wait it's the same one used by the rest of the "delusion is bliss" gang. Let's go what this site has to say about 9-11, shall we?

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm
12 posted on 01/28/2004 1:46:05 PM PST by GeraldP (Feja e shqiptarit eshte Shqiptaria)
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To: GeraldP
We shall not.
Today’s topic is not 9-11 nor The Truth About Rajmonda: A KLA Soldier Lies for the Cause. Today we talk about
Freezer Truck Hoax
story made by CBC journalist Nancy Durham, same journalist behind Rajmonda hoax
13 posted on 01/28/2004 1:55:16 PM PST by moroz (Genesis 49:16-18)
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Seven hundred is not the thousands that Milosovic was supposed to have murdered. As a matter of fact, I bet that the Albanian Kosovars killed more Serbs than that.
14 posted on 01/28/2004 1:57:13 PM PST by Eva
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To: moroz
Oh, but we shall, because there is an important point to make here. You see, there are millions of Arabs around the world who cling to the belief that 9-11 was orchestrated by the US Gov't in conjuction with Israel. They do this because they would rather believe this lie than accept responsibility as a peoples.

This is exactly what you and other delusional Serbs are doing, refusing to own up to your responsibilities. You know, I respect Serbs, Serbs like the guy from mark502inf's link above:

If it is true, as you say, that crime has no name and surname, a criminal definitely has - and we are missing the name of the criminal in this case.

I do not care whether the victims were Albanians, Muslims, Catholics or someone else. These bodies are corpses of people brought from Kosovo and Metohija, most likely ethnic Albanians, killed outside military activities. That is why they were brought here. Figuring out who did that, how bodies ended up here, and who ordered that everything be done, I cannot but realize that now all of us - my honor, the honor of my family, thousands of honorable policemen, soldiers, officers, and finally all of us, Serbs, as a nation, has been soiled. And criminals are individuals and those individuals must be identified, found, and prosecuted. I don't know whether we'll succeed but everything we do is with that goal in mind.
15 posted on 01/28/2004 2:05:09 PM PST by GeraldP (Feja e shqiptarit eshte Shqiptaria)
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To: Eva
700 in a single grave is a lot.
16 posted on 01/28/2004 2:19:19 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Britton J Wingfield
How many mass graves have they discovered? I thought that the total dead was only about 800.
17 posted on 01/28/2004 2:20:25 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
As of late 1999 the British had uncovered what they estimated to be about 10,000 in about 100 separate graves.

I don't know what the current total is, but they are still finding new ones. 100 here, 200 there, it adds up.

18 posted on 01/28/2004 2:27:57 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: GeraldP
Do millions of Arabs have case strong as this:
The Freezer Truck Hoax
Source: http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/freezer1.htm
I don’t think so. Try to read it maybe you will learn something.

Why don’t you read what was written?
“If 186 were identified how you can tell all 707 of them are Albanians? Any proof who killed them? KLA, NATO, Serbs?
Any names, ID on 186 identified bodies? Description, address something? Civilians, terrorist, man, women, children? Why only 120 bodies were returned?”

What was your answer? Serbs, as a people should accept responsibility. Nice, not against - but responsibility for what? For cremated remains of an undetermined number of civilians killed by the KLA in the village of Klecka? Lead by example, as Albanian accept responsibility for murders, beheadings, ethnic cleansing etc. committed by Albanian terrorists.
19 posted on 01/28/2004 2:31:24 PM PST by moroz (Genesis 49:16-18)
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To: Britton J Wingfield; Eva
Serb killings 'exaggerated' by west

Claims of up to 100,000 ethnic Albanians massacred in Kosovo revised to under 3,000 as exhumations near end

Special report: Kosovo


Jonathan Steele
Friday August 18, 2000
The Guardian


The final toll of civilians confirmed massacred by Yugoslav forces in Kosovo is likely to be under 3,000, far short of the numbers claimed by Nato governments during last year's controversial air strikes on Yugoslavia.

As war crimes experts from Britain and other countries prepare to wind down the exhumation of hundreds of graves in Kosovo on behalf of the UN's International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia in the Hague, officials concede they have not borne out the worst wartime reports. These were given by refugees and repeated by western government spokesmen during the campaign. They talked of indiscriminate killings and as many as 100,000 civilians missing or taken out of refugee columns by the Serbs.

The fact that far fewer Kosovo Albanians were massacred than suggested by Nato will raise sharp questions about the organisation's handling of the media and its information strategy.

However, commentators yesterday stressed that the new details should not obscure the fact that the major war crime in the tribunal's indictment of the Yugoslav president, Slobodan Milosevic, and four other Serb officials is the ethnic cleansing of Kosovo and forced deportation of hundreds of thousands of people.

"The point is did we successfully pre-empt or not," Mark Laity, the acting Nato spokesman, said last night. "I think the evidence shows we did. We would rather be criticised for overestimating the numbers who died than for failing to pre-empt. Any objective analysis would say there was a clear crisis. There was indiscriminate killing. There were attempts to clear hundreds of thousands of people out of their homes."

When Yugoslav forces withdrew from Kosovo in June last year, Nato spokesmen estimated that the Serbs had killed at least 10,000 civilians. While the bombing was under way William Cohen, the US defence secretary, announced that 100,000 Kosovo Albanian men of military age were missing after being taken from columns of families being deported to Albania and Macedonia. "They may have been murdered," he said. The fear was they might share the fate of the men who were separated from their wives and children and executed when Serb forces overran the town of Srebrenica in Bosnia.

But while some 7,000 Bosnian Muslims died in the week-long Srebrenica massacre in 1995, less than 3,000 Kosovo Albanian murder victims have been discovered in the whole of Kosovo. "The final number of bodies uncovered will be less than 10,000 and probably more accurately determined as between two and three thousand," Paul Risley, the Hague tribunal's press spokesman, said yesterday.

In three months of digging this summer, the tribunal's international forensic experts found 680 bodies at 150 sites. This was in addition to the 2,108 bodies found at 195 sites last year before exhumations were called off because of winter frosts. "By October we expect to have enough evidence to end the exhumations by foreign teams, and they will not be necessary next year," Mr Risley added.

Although the tribunal has received reports of another 350 suspected grave sites, it believes the cost and effort of uncovering them would not be justified. Some suspicious mounds or patches of rough earth in fields where villagers reported a foul stench turned out to contain dead animals or to be empty.

When the tribunal's teams reached Kosovo last summer, shortly after the international peacekeepers, they were given reports of 11,334 people in mass graves, but the results of its exhumations fall well short of that number. In a few cases, such as the Trepca mine where hundreds of bodies were alleged to have been flung down shafts or incinerated, they found nothing at all.

The tribunal's indictment of President Milosevic includes the charge that during Nato's bombing campaign Serb police shot 105 ethnic Albanian men and boys near the village of Mala Krusa in western Kosovo. Witnesses claimed hay was piled on the bodies and set alight. Tribunal experts believe the remains may have been tampered with later, since the bones of only a few people were found.

Motives questioned

The exhumation of less than 3,000 bodies is sure to add fuel to those who say Nato's intervention against Yugoslavia was not "humanitarian" and that it had other motives such as maintaining its credibility in a post-cold war world. Others say Nato's air strikes revealed a grotesque double standard since western governments did nothing when hundreds of thousands were being massacred in Rwanda.

Carla del Ponte, the tribunal's chief prosecutor, told the UN security council: "Our task is not to prepare a complete list of war casualties. Our primary task is to gather evidence relevant to criminal charges."

Evidence of the forced deportation of hundreds of thousands of people was overwhelming before the tribunal gained access to Kosovo but the exhumations are aimed at finding evidence for the charges of mass murder.

"Their benefit is to link forensic evidence to particular units of the police and army operating in particular parts of Kosovo. It wasn't a case of rogue units. The Serbian police state was fully involved," Mr Risley said. But officials will not say how many of the 2,788 bodies exhumed show clear signs of being victims of summary execution such as being shot in the head from close range.

No Nato government has sought to produce a definitive total of murdered ethnic Albanian civilians since the Serb offensives began in March 1998, a year before the bombing. "No one is interested," complained a senior international official in Kosovo involved in helping victims' families. "Nato doesn't want to admit the damage wasn't as extensive as it said. Local Albanian politicians have the same motive. If you don't have the true figure, you can exploit the issue."

20 posted on 01/28/2004 2:39:20 PM PST by moroz (Genesis 49:16-18)
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