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Navy relieves submarine commander of duties [USS Jimmy Carter]
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Posted on 01/27/2004 8:11:02 AM PST by Sub-Driver

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To: Gerasimov
"Let me guess... the USS Jimmy Carter is an unarmed sub designed to travel the world and disparage U.S. policy?"

Actually the USS Jimmy Carter is a kind of floating cafeteria.

Kidding aside, a boat bearing that name will have a special mission & be the first man of war to be launched from [the] water, to dry land.

...where it'll serve permanently drydocked.

101 posted on 01/27/2004 10:34:34 AM PST by Landru (Tagline Schmagline...)
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To: clintonh8r
...to be replaced by Capt. McHale.

Better:

Lieutenant Kerry, you've been recalled to active duty. Now get on the Greyhound for Groton.

102 posted on 01/27/2004 11:17:44 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Sub-Driver
But, as somebody once sagely noted, "Fish don't vote."

He surely did.


103 posted on 01/27/2004 11:20:17 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: river rat
I walked (OK, ducked and half-crawled) through the Jimmy Carter at Electric Boat a little over a year ago. She may have an ignominious name, but that's going to be one heck of a submarine.
104 posted on 01/27/2004 11:24:18 AM PST by Rubber_Duckie_27
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To: leadpenny
There must be something about the Armor/Cav. That same thing happened during the Armor Off Advanced Course I was in at Knox in 74-75. C. Troop (I was in A Troop) brought in some strippers for a dining in at the Godman Club Annex. Things got out of hand. Nothing would have happened until one of the guys told his wife and she told some other wives and they went to the CG. A few careers were ended over that. Actually, the FBI was initially brought in because the strippers came from Louisville onto Federal property.

I can match that. In the late 1980s, an Indiana National Guard SMAJ came to me to share a tale of woe, too juicy not to share, yet delicate enough that not just anyone could be counted on to spill the beans the right way. It seems they'd had a really outstanding recruiting and retention NCO, who'd not only brought a troubled and understrength unit up to 115% of it's regular strength pending a TO&E transformation, but had the highest retention/reenlistment figures in the division, and was even helping out the local regular Army recruiters in town by sending those who couldn't get into the now-filled up local National Guard unit, but were told to go active duty for a one-term enlistment, and he'd have a *try one* one-year slot open for them when they came home- and guys were going for it.

Not surprisingly, they wanted to find out what this guy was doing, bottle it, and send it out to every recruiter and retention NCO in the division. He was sharp in appearance, was thoroughly knowledgable of all the paperwork and admin procedures his job required, but this was clearly a matter of something more than picking the right colour for his freebie *Be All You Can Be* giveaway pencils.

Much to their horror, the staff brasshats found out: seems he had a deal going with a couple of the girls dancing at a local topless joint that anyone joining the unit or reenlisting after their *try one* year got an evening with one of the girls. The bad news was that he not only had to stop his unorthodox but effective practices, but eventually had to take his retirement a few years earlier than he'd intended. The good news was he got hired almost immediately by a Fortune 500 company to handle their own headhunting and management retention problems.

My comments about installing a floor-to-ceiling brass pole in the division commander's office were not particularly appreciated. But when in 1991, members of that Guard unit were among the forces shipped to Kuwait as a part of Operation Desert Shield, those characters he'd recruited were still filling their personnel spaces, and as a result, they were fully staffed and went to Kuwait [and later, Iraq] when many of their sister Guard units were left behind. As in comedy and, um, exotic dancing, the timing involved was everything.

105 posted on 01/27/2004 11:41:44 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Poohbah
So the JO got dismissed out of the Navy and the guilty CO got off scott free?
106 posted on 01/27/2004 11:44:32 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
No, the JO was dismissed from the Marine Corps for "conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman." Forgot to mention that the CO got the same thing.
107 posted on 01/27/2004 11:47:05 AM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: Rebelbase
What type of ship will be cursed with the name USS William Clinton?

What I'm thinking of used to be called a "honey barge".

108 posted on 01/27/2004 12:01:25 PM PST by oyez
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To: archy
Reminds me of Sgt Bilko or, there was a movie with Jackie Gleason (Master Sergeant in supply) and Steve McQueen (Buck Sergeant). Jackie played the perfect wheeler-dealer.

Many of the club systems (Officer and NCO) in Vietnam were run as if they needed to come under the RICO statutes.

I guess the premier example involves the first Sergeant Major of the Army (Woolridge). I think that position was established in the late 60's. After he got the job the story of the Khaki Mafia broke. It was learned that while he had been the SGM of the 24th ID in Augsburg (MG Edwin A. Walker was the CG, BTW) he was part of a group of senior NCO's who skimmed from the top of the slot machines all over Germany. They got themselves assigned to Vietnam roughly together and ran the same organized crime operation over there. It included kickbacks from floor shows and just about everything you could imagine.

Walker, of course, was fired by JFK and supposedly had a shot taken at him by Oswald.

FReepmail shortly.
109 posted on 01/27/2004 12:13:56 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: Poohbah
I C.

That sounds more fitting. To a point. I think the JO could have been offered a different level of punishment but I could argue both sides of it.

How did and how do you feel about it?

110 posted on 01/27/2004 12:38:58 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: michaelt; All
"I heard that the sub kept veering left, and he couldn't control it......."

No more phone calls.....................we have a winner.

111 posted on 01/27/2004 12:52:08 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Gerasimov
Let me guess... the USS Jimmy Carter is an unarmed sub designed to travel the world and disparage U.S. policy?

Har! Thanks for that! Despite the damage to my keyboard.

112 posted on 01/27/2004 12:54:49 PM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: Landru
Kidding aside, a boat bearing that name will have a special mission & be the first man of war to be launched from [the] water, to dry land ...where it'll serve permanently drydocked.

When I was at RTC Orlando, they had a training aid designed like a Navy ship, used for firefighting training. It was dubbed the "USS Neverdock." Maybe the USS Jimmy Carter could carry on this proud tradition of recruit training, for surely no active bubblehead would want to serve aboard her.

113 posted on 01/27/2004 12:59:27 PM PST by Johnny_Cipher (Miserable failure = http://www.michaelmoore.com/ sounds good to me!)
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To: Quix
Personally, I always thought the CO was a worthless bastard. His title and position got the respect--the "man" (a term I use VERY loosely) didn't.

Sad to see a mustang with a promising career ahead of him exercise such poor judgement.

Honestly, they should've settled it with a sword duel to first blood. Would've had more class, especially with Mameluke swords--the ell-tee might've avoided the "conduct unbecoming" charge.
114 posted on 01/27/2004 1:03:10 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: KellyAdmirer
His crew must not have been passing their pre-startup nuke inspections.

That, or they didn't double-initial a red tag on some Saturday morning valve tag inspection. 8<)

Before startup, the crew takes over each system on a nuke boat after the pipes/power/machanical pieces are built. Thereafter, they (the crew) are responsible for operational testing and safety of the reactor, under shipyard guidance.

If NAVSEA 08 (the nuke kings) aren't happy with the boat, ain't nobody happy with the boat.
115 posted on 01/27/2004 1:14:40 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: leadpenny
I guess the premier example involves the first Sergeant Major of the Army (Woolridge). I think that position was established in the late 60's. After he got the job the story of the Khaki Mafia broke. It was learned that while he had been the SGM of the 24th ID in Augsburg (MG Edwin A. Walker was the CG, BTW) he was part of a group of senior NCO's who skimmed from the top of the slot machines all over Germany.

I'm pretty sure that Walker was gone from the 24th by the time Creighton Abrams' favourite *good ol' boy CSMAJ showed up to run the 24th's club system- I think it was Linton S, Boatwright running the 24th by then. Boatwright had survived at least two attempts on his life in Vietnam by his own men, officially *VC terorist attacks* and they got him out of the RVN for his own good- a third try was cancelled only because the helo pilot he had flying him that day was a Dustoff pilot and the guys involved weren't inclined to kill him just to get rid of a troublesome MGEN. And the Army wasn't real thrilled about the idea of having a Code Eight fragged.

That was also around the timeframe during which a Czech pilot in a MiG17 landed near Augsburg, in the 24ths alert move-out area, where he landed since he had the best maps and knowledge of that area, the target for his two nukes if the balloon went up. And shortly thereafter, the *Czech Spring* Russian invasion of Czechoslovokia occurred, with Spetznaz leading the way. The story went that the GRU had bought the 24ths alert plans from somebody in Div HQ. Heads rolled at 14th Armored Cav over that one, whose border recon teams say the MiG flyover- he made a return pass wagging his wings- but their HQ refused to kick it higher, so the guys on the 5KM zone started trying all 920 channels on their PRC25 until they got a helo outfit at Graf. And then it REALLY hit the fan- had that pilot been less charitably inclined, you could have written Munich and Bonn off the map in the 20 minutes it took to get his defection reported and interceptors up- the Luftwaffe was still flying F104 *widowmakers* at that time.

They got themselves assigned to Vietnam roughly together and ran the same organized crime operation over there. It included kickbacks from floor shows and just about everything you could imagine.

Including heroin being shipped home in the body cavities of KIAs.

Wooldridge, William O.

DOB 12 August 1922, Shawnee, Oklahoma



Assignments

1940 Enlisted at Fort Sam Houston, Texas, in Company F, 23d Infantry, 2d Infantry Division
1941-44 Detached service, British Forces- Iceland
1944-45 1st Infantry Division, Northwest and Central Europe
1945-46 Fort Sam Houston
1946-47 Schofield Barracks, Hawaii
1947-49 Headquarters, Eighth U.S. Army, Seoul, Korea
1949-54 1st Infantry Division, Germany
1954-55 First Sergeant, Company G, 3d Infantry, Fort McNair, Washington, D.C.
1955-58 First Sergeant, Sergeant Major, 1st Infantry Division, Fort Riley, Kansas
1958-63 Sergeant Major, 2d Battle Group, 28th Infantry, 24th Infantry Division, Germany
1963-65 Sergeant Major, 24th Infantry Division, Germany
1965-66 Brigade, Division Sergeant Major, 1st Infantry Division, Fort Riley
1966-68 Sergeant Major of the Army
1968-69 Sergeant Major, Military Assistance Command, Vietnam
1969-72 Sergeant Major, Range Command, White Sands Missile Range, White Sands, New Mexico

Significant Accomplishments as SMA

As the first SMA, SMA Wooldridge worked to establish the position of the SMA. SMA Wooldridge had direct access to the Chief of Staff, established invaluable relationships with various staff agencies in the Pentagon, and traveled widely as the "eyes and ears" of the Chief of Staff, spending nearly half of his time as SMA visiting soldiers, including several trips to combat zones in Southeast Asia. To help pass on his experience to soldiers he wrote an article on combat, "So You're Headed for Combat: How to Get Ready and What to Expect," published in the January 1968 Army Digest (the predecessor of SOLDIERS). SMA Wooldridge also initiated the establishment the Major Commands Command Sergeants Major Conference in 1966, which since then has resulted in innumerable proposals that have improved the training, readiness, proficiency, and morale of soldiers.


116 posted on 01/27/2004 1:23:30 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Johnny_Cipher
"When I was at RTC Orlando, they had a training aid designed like a Navy ship, used for firefighting training. It was dubbed the 'USS Neverdock.' Maybe the USS Jimmy Carter could carry on this proud tradition of recruit training,..."

Why johnny_c what an excellent idea, and one that'd not push the limits (or strain the credibility) of the word "honor" for our former POTUS; while, recognizing his contribution, just the same.

As it is there stands a *monument* to this guy & his administration located in a desert of Iran.

"...for surely no active bubblehead would want to serve aboard her."

While what you say is very true it could be worse, much worse.
Try to imagine if you will an "USS Clinton," for example?
~eh?

It'd sail on its side, be shaped like a boomerang.

...know what I mean? {g}

117 posted on 01/27/2004 2:32:17 PM PST by Landru (Tagline Schmagline...)
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To: Landru
It'd sail on its side, be shaped like a boomerang.

I always envisioned it as short, with a slight bend to the left ... :)

118 posted on 01/27/2004 2:34:57 PM PST by Johnny_Cipher (Miserable failure = http://www.michaelmoore.com/ sounds good to me!)
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To: j_tull
Sounds like his goat locker let him down

Sounds more like he didn't listen to his goat locker.

119 posted on 01/27/2004 2:37:35 PM PST by bkwells (GO NAVY! BEAT ARMY!)
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To: Johnny_Cipher
"I always envisioned it as short, with a slight bend to the left..."

HA!!

...you got it. :o)

120 posted on 01/27/2004 2:41:21 PM PST by Landru (Tagline Schmagline...)
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