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To: Ditto
Yes, you are correct about import and export, I blame my poor memory. Also, I would like to correct the fact I called it the "Civil War" and not the "War of Northern Aggression."

I don't know why I bother, but did you know what one of major points of the Republican Party Plank in 1860? Please tell me oh wise, googlemeister? You won't know and I doubt very much you can get that information from google.

I believe the Catholic education, although superior to Public School, is not what I would call noteworthy.

So genius, you never did answer why the emancipation proclamation did not include the Border States that stayed loyal to the Union or why the North was prepared to leave slavery as is, if the South would only re-join the Union?

It was about taxes and rights of the states. Lee and Jackson, fought in the war because they were foremost Virginias not Americans. In those times, there were very few who thought of themselves as Americans. Also, if you really think the Tariff of 1828 was so little, then why did America revolt from England, clearly that tax was much less than the 1821 Tariff. The South was paying through taxes to support the entire Union why Northerners paid nothing. This would be worse than "taxation without representation" it would be "Taxation with little Representation (Southerners) and "no taxation with too much representation" (Northerners). In the parlance of our time, this would be equivalent to "The Rich Pay Taxes." The "Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.03% of Income Taxes." (This is taken from Rush Limbaugh's site.) But it was actually worse, since the Southerners were greatly outnumbered by the Northerners.

It is evident to me, that your head is so full of rubbish nothing else can get in. And before you start in about my poor Southern education, I was not raised in the South, just an avid reader. Again shut-off the History channel and pick up a book. Everything you are exposed to has been filtered.



75 posted on 01/27/2004 10:22:55 AM PST by RunningJoke
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To: RunningJoke
So genius, you never did answer why the emancipation proclamation did not include the Border States that stayed loyal to the Union or why the North was prepared to leave slavery as is, if the South would only re-join the Union?

If you had ever bothered to read the Constitution, you wouldn't ask such a damn stupid question. Lincoln had no constitutional power to take "property" from people in areas that were loyal. But he had every constitutional power as Commander in Chief to confiscate whatever property he deemed necessary for the war effort in areas in Rebellion. The rebels claimed slaves as property, used slaves as military laborers and relied on slaves to supply food and munitions for their war effort, and Lincon simply said ok, if they are property, I can take them away from you. And he did.

As to your second question, Lincoln said quite clearly that his only objective in the war was to preserve the Union. He said that if it took freeing all the slaves, he would do it. If it took freeing some, he would do that. The north did not go to war to end slavery in the south. The south did go to war because Lincoln promised to stop the expansion of slavery. Stopping expansion would have eventually destroyed the economics of slavery which required constant expansion to both keep slave prices high and to assure that the rapidly growng slave population didn't literally overwhelm the white population of the south. Expansion provided both new slave markets and a safety valve to keep Dixie from turning into a Haite.

BTW "genius", if you bother to read the EP, which you have obviously never done, you will see that many areas in the south that were under union control (i.e. Federal Courts operating) on Jan. 1, 1863 were also exempted. It wasn't just the border states.

Now I suggest you sit down and do some serious reading before you start calling others uneducated. You are making a damn fool of yourself.

81 posted on 01/27/2004 10:53:50 AM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: RunningJoke; Ditto
It was about taxes and rights of the states.

Not according to these gentlemen.

"What was the reason that induced Georgia to take the step of secession? This reason may be summed up in one single proposition. It was a conviction, a deep conviction on the part of Georgia, that a separation from the North-was the only thing that could prevent the abolition of her slavery." -- Speech of Henry Benning to the Virginia Convention

"Gentlemen, I see before me men who have observed all the records of human life, and many, perhaps, who have been chief actors in many of its gravest scenes, and I ask such men if in all their lore of human society they can offer an example like this? South Carolina has 300,000 whites, and 400,000 slaves. These 300,000 whites depend for their whole system of civilization on these 400,000 slaves. Twenty millions of people, with one of the strongest Governments on the face of the earth, decree the extermination of these 400,000 slaves, and then ask, is honor, is interest, is liberty, is right, is justice, is life, worth the struggle?...Gentlemen, I have thus very rapidly endeavored to group before you the causes which have produced the action of the people of South Carolina." -- Speech of John Preston to the Virginia Convention

"History affords no example of a people who changed their government for more just or substantial reasons. Louisiana looks to the formation of a Southern confederacy to preserve the blessings of African slavery, and of the free institutions of the founders of the Federal Union, bequeathed to their posterity." -- Address of George Williamson, Commissioner from Louisiana to the Texas Secession Convention

"But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other -- though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution -- African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution." -- Alexander Stephens

But hey, what did they know?

88 posted on 01/28/2004 6:49:25 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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