[ArrogantBustard]

You're not disagreeing with me, you're making an orthogonal point: to wit that John Kerry was a lying scumbag 30 some years ago and he hasn't changed his stripes.

My point is that even if he's the hero he claims to be, he also has a voting record in the US Senate. In considering the worth of Presidential Candidate Kerry, the political record of Senator Kerry is of far more importance than the heroic military record of Lt. Kerry.

Now if, in fact, he lied about his military record (an assertion I do not make but will entertain) that's another matter entirely.

[Eva]

First of all,"orthogonal"? Give me a break, you could have used tangential or some other less obscure word, don't you think?

Now aside from that, I don't think that my point was a separate point, neither orthogonal, nor parallel. First of all I never said that Kerry lied, he just misinterpreted his own bravery and presented the lies of others as his own. He was the emcee of the Jane Fonda show, and took the responsibility of testifying about the evidence presented in the Fonda project before congress, lending an air of credibility to the findings. But, the lack of veracity is not the issue, the issue is the lack of loyalty, the willingness to believe and support the anti-American leftists who could advance his political career. The man may have demonstated bravery under fire, in a kill or be killed situation, but he lacked the guts to stand up and defend his own commrades in arms against the attacks of people like Hanoi Jane.