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To: hopespringseternal
Should they be left alone when they don't want to pay for roads, nuclear missiles, or the Louisiana purchase?

Roads are funded through tolls and gasoline taxes (although that might not be the best way), they can certainly be viewed as user fees.

Nuclear missiles are military implements, that the Constitution authorizes the government to appropriate and expend money on.

Is GWB calling for a Moon colony in order to claim the moon for the U.S. as sovereign territory? If he were to actually do that, my opinion might change, because it would at least guarantee some semblance of property rights to it, but to date I've heard nothing like that. Have you?

Any one where we weren't willing to use those nukes. Nukes are a peculiar weapon, you don't use them to win wars, you use them to prevent nuclear wars.

So we didn't use them to beat the Japanese? That's an interesting view of history.

That sort of over-the-top rhetoric just torpedoes your own credibility. For the state to do something private enterprise has no interest in or ability to do does not make communism, otherwise you could label every nation with a defense budget communist.

That was in response to your 'economic stimulus' arguments. Don't drop context and you want fall into these errors of understanding.

51 posted on 01/26/2004 3:03:14 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
claim the moon for the U.S. as sovereign territory? . . . some semblance of property rights

If we want private enterprise to take an interest in space development, we must establish private property rights in space, which also would dump the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty.

53 posted on 01/26/2004 3:27:35 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Gunslingr3
Is GWB calling for a Moon colony in order to claim the moon for the U.S. as sovereign territory? If he were to actually do that, my opinion might change, because it would at least guarantee some semblance of property rights to it, but to date I've heard nothing like that. Have you?

No, and that is not what I said either. By national security, I mean that Bush is making sure that the Chinese don't hold cislunar space uncontested.

As far as the private property rights, that simply isn't an issue right now because no one is doing anything with the moon yet.

So we didn't use them to beat the Japanese? That's an interesting view of history.

Yes, when we had two and the rest of the world had none. Vastly different situation and silly of you to bring that up.

That was in response to your 'economic stimulus' arguments.

The state can provide subsidy to jump start an industry without being full blown communism. Are do you assert that the United States was communist when it subsidized the railroads?

55 posted on 01/26/2004 5:46:22 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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