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CA: Taking diesel out of farm air - ...replace diesel engines with electric models..
The Sacramento Bee ^
| January 25, 2004
| Jennifer M. Fitzenberger --
Posted on 01/25/2004 4:12:55 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
Edited on 04/12/2004 6:04:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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Tractors, like this one in Fresno, and diesel pumps are spewing particulate matter and smog-forming nitrogen oxide into the San Joaquin Valley air.
Farmers who want to replace their pollution-spewing diesel engines with electric models might get help from the state Legislature.
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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; california; calpowercrisis; energy; environment; government
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I'm sure Jennifer M. Spitzenberger is an agricultural correspondent? She grew sprouts once on her window sill.
Newsrooms and newspapers would serve us better by crushing their fax machines forever. Maybe then instead of printing spoon fed press releases as news, Ms. Fitzenberger might have to venture out from behind her desk once in a while for something other than a latte'.
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posted on
01/25/2004 6:40:03 PM PST
by
blackdog
(Democrat Party? Democratic Party? Democrat Candidate? Democratic Candidate? Wassup wit dat?)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Replace diesel tractors with electric motors?
Batteries the size of barns
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posted on
01/25/2004 6:41:36 PM PST
by
joesnuffy
(Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Replace diesel tractors with electric motors?
Batteries the size of barns
43
posted on
01/25/2004 6:41:43 PM PST
by
joesnuffy
(Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Replace diesel tractors with electric motors?
Batteries the size of barns
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posted on
01/25/2004 6:41:50 PM PST
by
joesnuffy
(Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
To: slohand
YEah propane seems like it would be perfect for the farm since the equipment is fueled onsite and you don't have to worry about where you're going to get your next tank.
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posted on
01/25/2004 6:46:47 PM PST
by
johnb838
(Write-In Tancredo in your Republican Primary)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Poincare
"We'd like to see more and more of these be electric," said Dave Jones, planning director for the San Joaquin Valley Air Pollution Control District. There is your key sentence. It is just more government control crap if you ask me. I've pinged a CA farmer who may be able to answer better than I.
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posted on
01/25/2004 6:46:56 PM PST
by
farmfriend
( Isaiah 55:10,11)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Diesel runs the world that makes stuff. The machines used in making the stuff will always be diesel. A diesel engine runs 500,000 hours between overhauls in most cases.
Like using Mexicans for cheap labor, why would a farmer who needs to be price competetive do something as stupid as to connect his livelihood to the grid in california of all places.
Mexicans and diesel engines, the great equalizers for America in a global economy.
47
posted on
01/25/2004 6:48:01 PM PST
by
blackdog
(Democrat Party? Democratic Party? Democrat Candidate? Democratic Candidate? Wassup wit dat?)
To: tubebender
"JA...what is the standby fee for a 30 HP pump used on a 30 acre vineyard? I know it has gone up significantly"
I'm not sure ..... We retired from farming about 5 years ago. Sold our share of the vineyard to my BIL for his share of the turkey ranch. When we were involved, the standby (demand) charge was getting so high that we disconnected the electricity and irrigated with irrigation district water only. Farmers pay irrigation taxes whether we are in a drought year or not. In dry years, there is enough water for permanent crops but there may not be enough water for row crops. This is the Fresno Irrigation District, other districts may get less.
Farmers have been either selling to home developers or going bankrupt in the San Joaquin for the last few years.
The farm economy is in dire straits and with the liberals who want to share the "wealth", family farms will soon be a thing of the past.
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posted on
01/25/2004 6:48:31 PM PST
by
JustAmy
(God Bless our Troops, God Bless President Bush and God Bless America)
To: farmfriend
The first sentence contained "pollution spewing diesel" No advocacy journalism there huh? No need to read further.
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posted on
01/25/2004 6:50:15 PM PST
by
blackdog
(Democrat Party? Democratic Party? Democrat Candidate? Democratic Candidate? Wassup wit dat?)
To: Voltage
But save enough to drink.
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posted on
01/25/2004 6:52:09 PM PST
by
U S Army EOD
(Volunteer for EOD and you will never have to worry about getting wounded.)
To: 76834
No I mean steam tractors, we will be real practical, then we can jack up the farm prices about 3000%.
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posted on
01/25/2004 6:54:05 PM PST
by
U S Army EOD
(Volunteer for EOD and you will never have to worry about getting wounded.)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
First, no personal criticism was intended. I didn't check the source because I know the guy who posted the article. I didn't know it was a vanity title until you posted this reply.
Second, I think the picture was the most misleading element of the story and I'm sure you didn't make that one up.
To: okie01
Just put over head wires above your field like the electic buses use. Boy that would really work great.
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posted on
01/25/2004 6:56:40 PM PST
by
U S Army EOD
(Volunteer for EOD and you will never have to worry about getting wounded.)
To: JustAmy
Just awful what is happening all over!
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posted on
01/25/2004 6:56:50 PM PST
by
Ernest_at_the_Beach
(The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
To: U S Army EOD
LOL, I catch your drift.
For the sake of argument whatcha going to use to boil the water to make the steam?
Coal, propane etc???
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posted on
01/25/2004 6:57:51 PM PST
by
76834
To: Kirkwood
Because in the city, that is how the democrats get to the voting booth. We got to keep the buses.
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posted on
01/25/2004 6:58:38 PM PST
by
U S Army EOD
(Volunteer for EOD and you will never have to worry about getting wounded.)
To: 76834
Old growth forest and spotted owls.
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posted on
01/25/2004 7:01:49 PM PST
by
U S Army EOD
(Volunteer for EOD and you will never have to worry about getting wounded.)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
3 solutions:
Burn Bio-Diesel.
Or add a set of these Pistons: www.sonexresearch.com
A third solution is a technology that Mercury Marine is working on. They have taken there Direct Injected "Optimax" 2 Stroke Outboards and have converted them to run on JP-5 for Special Ops Boats, They burn real clean except smell funny according to what I have read.
To: 76834
This idiot wants all farmers to stop using diesel and start using elect.
Where does he think elect comes from. Power plants, mostly coal fired, and where do they get the coal?
Mines of course, mined by diesel powered equiptment, moved from the mine to the power plant by diesel locomotives.
And what this reporterette doesn't mention (conveniently) is that many of the diesel engines are on standby for when the ELECTRICITY goes down. With all the Blackouts in the last 3 years, someone is using crack to even propose this mess.
I am willing to put a 5 spot on the fact that the same Dems in the Calif Legislation won't vote for any new electric plants.
More BS to drive farmers out of business.
If you don't like being held hostage to the middle east for your oil, wait until you are being held hostage to South and Central America for your FOOD. GET OFF THE FARMERS BACKS.
To: Cagey
Whatcha think of them lectric tractors?
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posted on
01/25/2004 7:03:24 PM PST
by
deport
(BUSH - CHENEY 2004.........)
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