U.N. influence in U.S. schools {Henry Lamb; More NGOs}

WorldNetDaily / Commentary ^ | January 24, 2004 | Henry Lamb

[DLfromthedesert]

Fortunately, in Arizona, we have a Superintendent of Education whose goal is to instill knowledge of our Constitution and love of the United States.

[Kay Ludlow]

I also take exception to your contention that the curriculum is being taught nationally. While that may be true as a generality, I work as a substitute teacher in Orange County, FL and can tell you unequivocally that I don't see it in the Orange County School District.

I'm pretty sure it's being taught here in Central Pennsylvania. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the information was what we we being taught back when I was in Jr High (before we reverted back to the Middle School concept).

You can't succeed on your own, the only success comes from being part of the group. My children wrote English papers in groups - that's how deeply embedded these concepts are here. How can someone learn to write an English paper if they write it as a group and their peer groups review and grade it??? Everything's relative, none of us should rely just on ourselves, yada, yada, yada.

[Tailgunner Joe]

UN List

[DustyMoment]

I don't doubt that it is out there and I hope I didn't convey that in my post to GFBP. His contention was that it was national. My contention is that it may be widespread across the nation, it's just not in Orange County. If it's in Pinellas, I'd get my kids out of the public schools if I lived there.

[DustyMoment]

I think you misunderstood me. I did not intend to suggest that parents are responsible for this crapola in the schools, other than the behavior of the students. When parents are actively involved in their child's learning (as mine were), whether through PTA, or ensuring that homework is done and the TV and computer remain off until they are, the kids generally perform better and learn more. I agree that too many school administrators sit around with this "we know better" attitude. Thank God, we don't have that in Orange County. We have school administrators and teachers who (for the most part, at least) are dedicated to getting these kids educated. This is not to say we don't have problems; we do. Too many social influences, such as sports, sex (Britney), drugs and rock and roll. Too many kids, particularly black kids, believe that they will be pro athletes or rap stars. When I think I can make a difference, I try to get them to understand the playing field they are up against and re-think their goals. Maybe I am making a difference, maybe I'm just kidding myself; but I have to keep trying. It is district policy that when a kid acts up, in addition to whatever punishment the school assigns, the parents get notified. Many are becoming actively involved in ensuring that their kids behave in school.

Yeah, I know, in FloriDUH, we can't punch a ballot correctly - but that's in SOUTH FloriDUH, George. Here in Central FloriDUH, we're just learning about traffic dividers. Perhaps in another couple of years, they'll learn about traffic lights.

:-)

Keep up the good fight, my man.

[DustyMoment]

So far, the emphasis in the schools i have subbed in is on personal achievement. I haven't seen any emphasis on groups, per se. I think we both know that the collective concept was proven a dismal failure by the Soviets. Why American "educators" are unable to evaluate how badly socialism and collectivism have failed around the world and still think that they can make it work is beyond me. Socialism is the antithesis of the human spirit. Our Founding Fathers were dead on target when they wrote the Constitution, because they considered not only the needs of a new nation, they also considered the needs of the individual and understood more about psychology than many of today's practicing psychologists.

If my kids were in your school district, I'd either start home schooling or find a good private school (if you can afford it).

Good luck.

[ladylib]

It's a voluntary program from what I understand, and schools have to jump through hoops to get it in their schools.

I believe that when students graduate from the program, they can enter college as juniors.

It's only for those who want it.

[Kay Ludlow]

My kids survived public school, and have moved on to college. They live at home, so we still have lots of time to talk about the spin they hear in class. And believe me, they hear it at PSU!

Personal achievement is not valued in our school district. They don't have a valedictorian, and haven't for at least 30 years. The class president (an elected position) addresses the class at commencement. Just this year, the first alternative at the high school level has appeared. There have been a number of private school for K-6 (and my kids went to one), but even the Catholic school didn't do High School - but this year they started.

Apparently it's the price we pay for living in a community where the major employer is a university. They used to try out every new teaching idea in our schools, then after most of them were dismal failures, parents finally stood up in the 80's and said we don't want all the programs and all the student teachers. That reduced it somewhat, but I just heard that the State is going to provide funding for a joint venture with PSU and our school district for the school to be a place where students can do their student teaching easily and new methods can be assessed. I'm glad my kids are out, and my brothers kids are going to private school.

[ladylib]

Nothing like making a captured audience (under threat of truancy) guinea pigs.

[ladylib]

There was a very sad story (well, at least to me) on TV about a month ago on one of our cable channels about a school which integrates technology into all facets of their curriculum. The gooey faced, smiling principal said all children in his school learn the same way.

One girl (about 13) actually said that she could never succeed at doing anything on her own. She had to be part of a team.

Which means -- she'll never be able to function on her own as an adult.

A principal of a classical charter school said that all students take the same course, only some finish faster than others, but they all finish eventually, with varying results of course, because people are individuals.

Where would you want your child to go to school if you had a choice?

[Kay Ludlow]

If my husband was making what I was making, I would have home-schooled them. Unfortunately, he was making 1/3 of that (12,000/year). While the public school experience didn't harm my daughter, it did my son. He delved into drugs - all of them. After he moved out, then had a friend of his die of an overdose at his place he saw the error of his ways. As he came off the drugs and talked to us more, he told us that ALL the drugs he ever tried he did first AT SCHOOL. On school time, on school property. That was why he moved out his senior year (he was 18) - so he'd be freer to do more drugs.

My children were not unsupervised. My husband worked part-time while they were in High School so there would be someone there when they left for school and someone there when they came home. They were not permitted to go "hang out" at the mall, or downtown, or anywhere else. That worked for my daughter, but not for my son. Our public school failed him in a serious way by refusing to admit that there is a drug problem in our schools. Image, after all, is most important. "We" want to be at the forefront of new programs, and of course they all "work". There is no drug testing in our schools, and no locker searches (even though more rural schools do that). My kids said everyone knew there would NEVER be surprise locker searches, because it would be too embarrasing for the school district - and apparently they were right.

So, add doing all the experimental programs and turning a blind eye to drugs, and you get a school district where a few kids get a good education, but most don't. In my opinion, based on the teachers I know personally at our school district, groups projects and group grading are popular with the teachers because it leaves them less to do. If a peer grades your paper wrong, the grade is still recorded. It's up to the student to go to the teacher and show why it was wrong. My daughter was in a class where one of the people who often graded her work didn't like her, and just marked things wrong because it was her. The learning experience out of that is that you need to beg the teacher to give you credit for what you did right...

[ladylib]

Your son and daughter will most likely remember their experiences in the public schools when it's time for them to choose an education for their children.

[Issaquahking]

What does it take to make America wake up that freedom is in harm's way as long as the U.N. pukers exist? America, we need to drive the desposts out of OUR COUNTRY!

[cusaud]

The International Baccalaureate is a great example of New Age Socialism. Check out this website where the IB top persons are meeting the theosophy society in London. Do some research on theosophy, lucis trust, robert muller, the socialist at the UN do not need to be steering curriculum in American schools. http://www.unesco.org/cpp/soul/exhibit.htm

[cusaud]

Check out the logo of the the London Theosophy Society, it looks like the IB wants universal education, language, religion and government.

[cusaud]

Check out the logo of the the London Theosophy Society, it looks like the IB wants universal education, language, religion and government.