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To: papertyger
"Absolute genocide" was pursued by a LEADER OF A MOVEMENT in a European nation, your claim is that all Islam is inherently evil, ergo all Muslims are inherently evil. Your claim is fallacious in the fact that if fails to account for the hundreds of millions of Muslims in nations like Turkey, in Indonesia, in the U.S. and throughout the world who are not out causing any problems. Conversely, you are also ignoring the millions of Muslims in the U.S. and throughout the world who vehemently condemn Muslim extremism, and terrorism.

In order for your ridiculous assertion to work, you would have to convince me that all Germans pursued absolute genocide, a weak argument in light of the fact that they were busy killing Germans right along.

Radical, fundamentalist Islam has an agenda, and part of it is to pull blinders over the eyes of people such as yourself, it appears that they've done a good job on you.

Islam in and of itself, has no "agenda", and there is no more of a left wing media conspiracy any more than there is a vast right wing one, your tin foil is on too tight, there are media outlets whose editors and management has a left-wing point of view, and there are media outlets whose editors and management hold a right-wing point of view on issues.

In the case of Germany and Japan, we fought a conventional war against conventional governments, this is not the case here, and if it actually was, we would be fighting a billion people world-wide...we are not.

The enemy is easily identified, Muslim extremism, and the useful idiots on our side whose ignorance would escalate this into a war of religions.

73 posted on 01/24/2004 11:29:46 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
In order for your ridiculous assertion to work, you would have to convince me that all Germans pursued absolute genocide, a weak argument in light of the fact that they were busy killing Germans right along.

Not all Germans believed in genocide. All Nazis did

Not all people living in countries where Islam is the majority religion believe in the duty to kill to promote Islam. All PRACTICING, DEVOUT Muslims do. There's a difference between country-of-origin and ideology. Islam is an ideology

The way we dealt with National Socialism was to conquer and occupy the territory of the believers, and impose strict laws that no positive mention of Naziism was ever to be made, nor would children's indoctrination in Nazi ideology be tolerated. That instead the children of the Nazis were to be taught that Naziism was fundamentally evil. After a generation or two of occupation, Naziism as a threat was eradicated.

95 posted on 01/24/2004 1:27:34 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (No anchovies!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
My, aren't you a master of straw-man kung fu? Okay, lets take your nonsense apart in order of appearance, though it is quite apparent "the lady doth protest too much."

The German analogy is quite appropriate in that there were Germans of all different convictions, to be sure. Nevertheless, the "leader of a movement" to borrow your hair splitting phrase, had the required mass of followers with which to command nearly every resource in the country, and rule with absolute impunity. Those that didn't support him were not in active opposition for the most part. Those that did oppose him were ineffectual. So while you can dispute the sky is blue, because somedays its grey, don't expect thinking people to take your gnat-gagging seriously.

Appropriate indeed.

Next, Islam can be inherently evil without all Muslims being evil. That was your assertion: not mine. The former is an ideology, the latter are individuals. Christianity teaches all men are inherently evil. Does that mean it teaches men are incapable of anything but evil? Again, the horns of your dilema are not nearly as imposing as you'd like to make them out to be.

As for Turkey, and other Moslem countries that "are not out causing problems," name one isn't under military/authoritarian rule, and also possesses an overwhelming majority of Moslem citizens. Where ever Moslems reach a mass large enough to affect their own security, the chauvinism inherent to their religious doctrines becomes evident.

I think all Americans, with their melting-pot sensibilities, would love for you to produce these millions of Moslems vehemently condemning Moslem extremism, and terrorism. Sadly, you are fantasizing out of a combination of token gestures on their part, and desperate desire on your part.

Your really are going to have to explain the logical somersaults you use to arrive at the notion "that all Germans pursued absolute genocide" is required to prove the German state, as a world power, actively pursued the policy. It's a matter of history. Well recorded history at that. If you are capable of ignoring that fact, you're in the same league as holocaust deniers. You might as well claim every American has to be wealthy before we can claim to enjoy a high standard of living.

At this point I have to wonder if you're running a fever. That's one impressive plan for conquest those radical, fundimentalist, Islamists are executing. "Fool your enemies into raising their guard whenever they encounter anybody that might be you." "Blind them into looking over their shoulder when you're trying to sneak up behind them."

Yup, you're right. I fallen for it hook, line, and sinker. Those blinders are firmly in place.

Um...you really are a very talented pettifogger. I specifically note a consensus, rather than a conspiracy, and you accuse me of...conspiracy thinking. Touche'! Banana Republican isn't just a cute turn of phrase; it's a way of life, huh?

Did you even read the article? Islam is always peaceful when it can't win. You're right. We aren't fighting a conventional government in a conventional war, but do ya think maybe...just maybe...there might be the tiniest itty bitty similarity to, oh, say-----Communism? That wasn't conventional either. Are you actually going to try to say it wasn't a war?

I like how Daniel Pipes put it; declaring a war on terrorism in response to 911 is like declaring a war on sneak-attacks in response to Pearl Harbor. Of course Pipes and the likes of Bernard Lewis are ignorant, right? Would you mind posting your CV so we can fully appreciate your analysis and identification of the enemy?
99 posted on 01/24/2004 3:27:46 PM PST by papertyger ("Knowledge Is Good" - Emil Faber)
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