Posted on 01/24/2004 2:31:12 AM PST by dennisw
It might sound Spanish to the Portuguese :) See Fragments of a Lost Epic Poem: The Cantar de Roncesvalles
Yes.
Displaying your ignorance again.
October 21 2002
Indonesia's moderate Muslim organisations demanded today that authorities crack down against religious extremists, who they said represent a fringe minority among the country's 170 million Muslims.
Former Indonesian President Abdurrahman Wahid said he believed that Abu Bakar Bashir, the spiritual leader of a group suspected in last week's Bali bombing, should have been arrested long ago.
"I believe that Bashir is a terrorist," Wahid said in a radio interview.
Wahid, who was replaced as head of state by Megawati Sukarnoputri last year, has been sharply critical of her administration's cautious approach toward radicals.
Wahid's organization, Nahdlatul Ulama - whose 40 million members make it the world's largest Muslim grouping - and the 30-million member Muhammadiyah both urged the government to act more decisively against small groups of militants such as Jemaah Islamiyah, which is suspected in the October 12 nightclub bombing in Bali that killed at least 180 people and injured around 300.
Their leaderships say that groups like Jemaah Islamiah or Laskar Jihad - a recently disbanded paramilitary gang blamed for waging a religious war against the Christian minority in the Maluku islands - are a tiny minority in Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim nation.
Megawati has already signed an emergency decree that allows terrorist suspects to be detained for up to six months without charge, but religious moderates have called on her administration to implement even tougher anti-terrorist legislation.
"We badly need such regulations to prevent terrorist attacks," said Hazim Muzadi, Nahdlatul Ulama's chairman. "All countries have similar laws."
Their calls came as authorities considered how to interrogate Bashir, Jemaah Islamiyah's ailing leader. He was arrested Saturday on suspicion of involvement in a series of church bombings two years ago.
Bashir, who has been in hospital since Friday, denies any links with terrorism.
Several dozen Islamic students continued their vigil Monday outside the hospital in the town of Solo where he is being treated for breathing problems. They have vowed to block police from removing the cleric from the hospital. Armed policemen stood by but did not intervene in the demonstration.
Bashir's doctors said he was improving and could be released in two or three days.
Police are considering confining the cleric to Solo under police supervision, or taking him to a police hospital in Jakarta and holding him there.
Three explosions suspected
In Bali, Gen. Edward Aritonang, a national police spokesman, said Sunday that authorities now believe that three explosions destroyed Paddy's pub and Sari's nightclub on the island of Bali.
Previously, police assumed an initial, smaller blast damaged Paddy's seconds before a much more powerful explosion at nearby Sari's, causing most of the casualties.
It was not immediately known how they later concluded there were three explosions.
Aritonang said authorities believed there was no link between the nightclub attack and a grenade blast near the office of the honorary U.S. consul at about the same time. There were no casualties in the grenade attack.
The investigation - conducted jointly by more than 100 investigators from Indonesia, Australia, the United States, Britain and other countries - was proceeding well, Aritonang said.
"There has been some progress now," Aritonang told reporters.
Warning of the threat of new terrorist attacks, Australia urged its citizens to leave Indonesia. The United States advised Americans to put off travel to the country.
Other countries in South-East Asia have said they would tighten security.
Yea, now there's a shock.
Do I really need to read any further than this: The terrorist act was strongly condemned by every single Palestinian organization including Fatah.
Wanna buy a bridge?
Please, try to debate like an adult.
No concept springs up out of nowhere fully developed, and with millions of followers...and that included Christianity.
I hear the Islamic Supreme Council of America has alot of pull with the rest of Islam. [/sarcasm]
With you?
Hardly.
Denial is not debate.
How do you think generalizations get formed? Prejudice is the honor common sense pays to experience.
I guess such should be named postjudice!
My position is simple, the one you've chosen to disregard, and misrepresent at every opportunity, while thumping your chest at the sacrifice that "your people" gifted me with, as if "my people" had not suffered a million deaths to gain freedom, so quickly stolen from them...we need to identify the enemy, keep them separate from the non-enemies, and work to eradicate the enemy. The enemy being defined as extremism, and confined to the actual perpetrators of that extremism. We do not need to paint all Muslims with one broad stroke of a brush, and fault them with the actions of a minority.
Having said that, I have no desire to converse witn you any further, I find your posts offensive in their position of my being somehow less an American, because I got here after your immigrant forebears did.
Which dictionary are you actually using?
Cool. I was not aware that the despots of China, Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia (there is no such country as Indochina) were using Islamism to legitimatizes their rule.
And, BTW, India is a reasonably-free democracy
Let me clarify my words some more: when I say "Islamic world", I'm talking about those majority-Muslim countries run according to Islamic principles (or at least their interpretation of it). Thus countries containing some percentage of Muslims (which would include most countries these days) would be excluded if the Muslims were not in a dominant ruling position
Clearer now?
Taking inventory of those countries which are majority Muslim (outside of fairly-secular Turkey), you find precious little freedom and Western-style liberty. That's what I'm talking about.
You sure do. Lenin was SENT IN to Russia by the Germans in April of 1917, during WW-I, in order to destabilize Russia (which was on the Allied side) and take it out of the war. He succeeded
That reminds me windbag: you tried this Leviticus stuff before, I called you on it (You know: Love your neighbor as yourself.) , and you ignored my post.
Have you even read all of it in any English translation? (I know better than to think you might be able to read Hebrew.)
ML/NJ
The moment that I point out that most Muslims live in areas where Sharia laws are NOT enforced, and that the vast majority of Muslim extremism is concentrated in countries that have been more often the target of terrorism, than sponsors of it, the generalizations sputter.
I did not list countries with "some percentage" of Muslims, my list showed that most Muslims live outside the region at fault for 99% of all Islamic extremist terrorism.
What makes Turkey different, is the Western-style secularism...that's what Muslim extremists are fighting, the spread of Western secularism leading to more Muslims countries like Turkey.
If that's what they fear most, the spread of Western secularism, then that should be our primary weapon against them.
What we must NOT do, is launch Western Christian fundamentalism at Muslim extremism...no one will win that war.
Here's your first history lesson
Thus, a new and liberal government came to power in Russia. All those cultured, sensitive souls from Chekhov plays were running the country. This provisional government commanded the fervent support of millions; unfortunately, none of them were in Russia. What is freedom of the press to a nation of illiterates? The provisional government inherited chaos and chose to perpetuate it. Although the world war had toppled the monarchy, the new government intended to keep Russia in the carnage. The Russian masses were ready for any leader or ideology that ended the war, and Lenin took this as his opportunity.In late March 1917, Lenin walked into the German consulate in Zurich and offered to overthrow the Russian government. He must have learned the word "chutzpah" from Leon Trotsky. Lenin peddled the Bolshevik Revolution essentially as an initial public offering. If Germany provided him with the start-up capital for his venture, he would seize control of Russia and withdraw it from the war. Germany could then shift its eastern army to France, and, with that additional half-million men, bludgeon its way to Paris and victory.
Though Lenin's scheme was preposterous, the Germans were receptive to gruesome ideas. The Second Reich had already pioneered submarine warfare and poison gas, so it was willing to invest in proletarian uprisings. Germany provided the train and traveling expenses for Lenin and his cadre of Bolshevik exiles. They arrived in Russia in April 1917; they were in control by November.
There was no one to defend democracy in Russia. Russian liberals made excellent novelists, but their idea of defense against a Bolshevik onslaught was to make a sarcastic remark in French. Most of the liberals survived the revolution (even Lenin thought that they were too amusing to kill) and ended up as tenured professors at Ivy League schools.
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