Question: Why won’t Bush & Fox’s illegal-immigrant plan work?

The Orange County Weekly ^ | 01.23.04 | Gustavo Arellano

[Texasforever]

Not yet. If he executes an E.O. forcing this "proposal" as the law of the land, then yes, he is.

Nice back pedal there.

[Beck_isright]

No backpedal. If he executes his Executive powers or has been proven to knowingly do so in violation of his Constitutional duties, then yes, he's a traitor. It will never be proven in this matter unless he executes an E.O.

[Porterville]

It is called strategy, if you really care about the illegal immigrant issue you have to consider tact. Bush is a pro, he has only let me down with the Campaign Finance... but with foreign nations he hasn't let me down once.

[Beck_isright]

"What is it about the Reagan era that you are referring to?"

Be a conservative of principle. He had the hutspa to admit he made a mistake with the amnesty he granted.

[new cruelty]

Though you wouldn't consider Reagan a traitor, would you?

[Beck_isright]

Ah, so strategery is more important than Homeland Security or principle? We've sunk to the level of demorats to gain power? At what cost? San Diego? Denver? Little Rock?

[Texasforever]

If he executes his Executive powers or has been proven to knowingly do so in violation of his Constitutional duties, then yes, he's a traitor. It will never be proven in this matter unless he executes an E.O.

Nope, he could issue an EO on perfectly constitutionally sound grounds. The ONLy remedy opponents would have is either Congressional over ride or court challenge. Your opinion that it is treason cannot be supported by law or history.

[Beck_isright]

"Though you wouldn't consider Reagan a traitor, would you?"

No. He had the power to grant "amnesty" to criminals. That is in the Constitution. His failure to enforce the laws of the land and seal the borders though is an issue up to powers greater than I to discuss or enforce. The failure to do that is "traitorous". The escape from that was amnesty and he admitted his mistakes on both counts after he left office. I disagree with both; the laws must be enforced and the borders sealed.

[Happy2BMe]

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[StatesEnemy]

Press as long as you like... The fact remains, that Senor Bush is not living up to his Oath of Office.

[Beck_isright]

Yes, he could. And keep in mind the same Congress could charge him with such (unlikely). However my opinion is just that. Whether anyone agrees with that opinion, I really don't care.

[Porterville]

Never mind, you're getting hit by to many angles to be rational.

[Beck_isright]

You mean like your inability to logically answer one question:

What is the biggest detriment to the US economy due to the current policy and the proposed one?

[StatesEnemy]

Ya know, you and your ilk are a heap of hypocritical heathens... No beliefs, No principles, no common sense.

We ALL KNOW DAMN WELL that if this TREASONOUS ACT was perpetrated by ClintOOn this board would be RIFE with calls for his head - and rightfully so!.

[holyscroller]

Are you attending your county precinct meeting?"

I'm holding our precinct meeting. We will pass a VERY Conservative set of planks. These will then go on to the county, and then the state. Each will also pass a VERY conservative platform. Then at the national Convention, an equally Conservative platform will emerge.

And then do you know what happens? That's the last you'll hear of it for the next four years. The Republicans elected will totally ignore the platforms and do as they darned well please.

I have been a Republican PC for over 40 years, and I've yet to see the Republicans abide by, live by and/or fight for the principles that the grass roots wanted. The politicians get back to Washington and from then on, they get their marching orders from the national party, the lobbyests, and the biggest donors, and the rest of us are expected to be good little sheeple, shut up, and work hard to put get them reelected when the time comes. Am I cynical? You bet I am!

[Happy2BMe]

"So, we have identified the problem, Mexico. The solution therefore must logically take place in Mexico. Until Fox and the power structure undertake to improve the lot of the average Mexican, they will continue to flow to that which betters their lives, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO IN THIS COUNTRY."

Mexican governors meet at border to discuss U.S. immigration proposals

[Porterville]

Like I said, I believe it is a long term strategy to solve the issue.

[Paul C. Jesup]

His failure to enforce the laws of the land and seal the borders though is an issue up to powers greater than I to discuss or enforce.

(sarsacm) My how you feel us normal middle class american citizens are unworthy to discuss situations that affect our very futures and the future of this nation. That's so socialist of you...

[Texasforever]

We ALL KNOW DAMN WELL that if this TREASONOUS AC

Make your case for TREASON as it applies to this proposal.

[Beck_isright]

"I have been a Republican PC for over 40 years, and I've yet to see the Republicans abide by, live by and/or fight for the principles that the grass roots wanted. The politicians get back to Washington and from then on, they get their marching orders from the national party, the lobbyests, and the biggest donors, and the rest of us are expected to be good little sheeple, shut up, and work hard to put get them reelected when the time comes. Am I cynical? You bet I am!"

Exactly why I quit the party.