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Why You Should Support Bush's Immigration Proposal
GOPUSA ^ | 01.23.04 | J. Max Wilson

Posted on 01/23/2004 4:37:58 PM PST by Beck_isright

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To: Reaganwuzthebest
You win a Cupie Doll, If Clinton had proposed this the Republican Party would be screeming bloody murder, and rightly so. But, because the proposal is coming from President Bush... that is suppose to make everything hunky dory. Well, sorry but I am not going to mortgage my families future and bankrupt the copuntry just so that the President can get re-elected for 4 more years by kissing Vincene Fox's buttocks and kissing up to the hispanic community.

The Hispanics are not going to vote for a Republican in any great numbers NO MATTER WHAT THE PRESIDENT DOES and trying to buy their vote via this proposal, rather than genuinly dealing with the problem of ILLEGALS pouing over the boarder is a disgrace.

201 posted on 01/23/2004 8:43:45 PM PST by Jmouse007 (Tired of the Powell doctrine)
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To: MissAmericanPie
I am a born again Christian and as far as I am concerned the primary responsability of ANY nation is to take care of it's own citizens.

If America continues to try to provide for the economic needs of the entire planet we are going to bankrupt ourselves and then we will be in no position to help ANYBODY... not even ourselves.

202 posted on 01/23/2004 8:47:18 PM PST by Jmouse007 (Tired of the Powell doctrine)
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To: spunkets
I don't support the world having a vote in US affairs whatsoever.

Until our leaders decide our borders & immigration laws mean something you'd better get used to the idea.

203 posted on 01/23/2004 8:47:36 PM PST by skeeter
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
I appreciate that, and you pointing it out.

I see Bush's vision as reinforcing this by also dealing with the millions already here. By taking in the overall problem.

204 posted on 01/23/2004 8:48:39 PM PST by onedoug
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To: txdoda
"you'll be happy to know that GWB announced that he has TAXDOLLARS to GIVE many minority families 5,000 each, so they can *more easily* buy a house."

Nah. You should know that since you already acknowledged it. " LOL.........Keep up with the news.......right now BP admits to only *busting* 1 out of 3 illegals (border 'watchers' say BP *busts* 1 of every 5), looks like our present *concept* needs a lot more funding. "

Here's a clue. Bush's proposal lowers the demand for entry, because the goods just became more unpalitable. It also makes the price for rushing the border a lot higher.

205 posted on 01/23/2004 8:48:55 PM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
Bush's proposal lowers the demand for entry, because the goods just became more unpalitable. It also makes the price for rushing the border a lot higher.

Just what in Bush's proposal make immigrating to the US illegally less palatable?

206 posted on 01/23/2004 8:51:59 PM PST by skeeter
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To: onedoug
There must be strong workplace enforcement with tough penalties for anyone, for any employer violating these laws.

He says there "must be strong workplace enforcement", but as of now there isn't any. Why not? It's already the law, all Bush has to do is enforce it. If he needs more money he should go to Congress and ask for it.

207 posted on 01/23/2004 8:53:12 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: rintense
You are correct, untold thousands of LEGAL immigrants are being spit upon by the Presidents proposal. It absolutely sends the wrong message and that is this: It PAYS to break the law in America. If you come here illegally, you WILL BE REWARDED. If you decide to play by the rules, you will be punished.

I have been working with legal immigrants from the former USSR since 1994 and they are totally against the president’s proposal. Why, because they have entered the country legally and have suffered and strived for many years to do all that our government has asked of them in order to become citizens and the presidents proposal smacks of racial/ethnic favoritism, and injustice. I for one totally agree with their assessment. The proposal stinks to high heaven and I will not support the president or the party in regard to this matter, no matter who tries to sell it to me.

208 posted on 01/23/2004 8:55:25 PM PST by Jmouse007 (Tired of the Powell doctrine)
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To: Jmouse007
Well, sorry but I am not going to mortgage my families future and bankrupt the copuntry just so that the President can get re-elected for 4 more years by kissing Vincene Fox's buttocks and kissing up to the hispanic community.

People who are supporting this proposal are not realizing... it's their kids who will suffer more than us.

Why even bother sending them to college when they will be forced to compete with everyone in the world willing to work for minimum wage?

209 posted on 01/23/2004 8:58:42 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Jmouse007
"I am a born again Christian and as far as I am concerned the primary responsability of ANY nation is to take care of it's own citizens."

God does not recognize borders. He asked you in particular to Love thy neighbor as thyself. If you are born again then you should recognize the words of He you have accepted.

Luke 16:19-31 "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores."

The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'"

But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'"

He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.' "Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'" He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"

The concept here is to sort out those that are hard working from the criminals.

210 posted on 01/23/2004 9:06:44 PM PST by spunkets
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To: skeeter
Yeah, just ask the Chinese.
211 posted on 01/23/2004 9:10:30 PM PST by GigaDittos (Bumper sticker: "Vote Democrat, it's easier than getting a job.")
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To: Dr. Marten
Thank you for your kind words. It is vitally important that we all stand up and be counted in opposition to this insane proposal. We need to all let the powers that be within the Republican Party know that we will not tolerate or be part and parcel to the selling of America just so the President can serve for 4 more years.

The Republican Party has taken the conservative block for granted every single election cycle. The pitch is always the same: vote for us, we are the lesser of the two evils, you put us in power and THEN we will try to change things. We vote them in and it continues with "business as usual" they do not take a stand for conservative nominees (instead they allow "gentleman’s filibuster" they SAY they support heterosexual marriage, but openly court the homosexual wing of the party and tread lightly so as to not offend them. They say "we are for national security and secure boarders but when push comes to shove, they are GUTLESS wonders, unwilling to take any of the steps necessary to halt the tidal wave of illegal immigrants pouring over the boarder on a daily basis, even fighting sane proposals like mandating that hospitals immediately report illegal aliens seeking free treatment at hospitals within 2 hours of their arrival. "oh no we cant to that, THAT WOULD TURN THE HOSPITAL STAFF INTO AIDDING POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND THE INS."

Well, frankly I have had enough of the lies... my vote is not for sale. If the president and the republicans want it they are going to have to EARN IT. I do not want them to pander to me, I just want them to do the job we ELECTED THEM to do.

212 posted on 01/23/2004 9:10:40 PM PST by Jmouse007 (Tired of the Powell doctrine)
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To: skeeter
"Just what in Bush's proposal make immigrating to the US illegally less palatable?"

The requirements are for the immigrant to have a job. W/o one they will be busted and sent back. That is something that does not occur now, because once they're in no one bothers them. Now I've already gone over how this separates the wheat from the chaff, so the reason why the present situation exists is no longer valid. Folks will only see the troublemakers being deported.

213 posted on 01/23/2004 9:13:07 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Beck_isright
The greatest danger to our nation is, in part, the result of widespread lawbreaking by businesses and law nullification by city governments. Conservatives seem ready to condemn the illegal immigrants who come seeking work and often advocate the harshest punishments for them (i.e. shooting them at the border) while at the same time barely hand-slapping the lawbreaking businesses and ignoring city sanctuary policies designed to undermine federal immigration law. This hypocrisy contributes to the unfortunate impression that conservatives are racists

You Again!!! What the hell??

214 posted on 01/23/2004 9:15:42 PM PST by Porterville (Traitors against God, country, family, and benefactors lament their sins in the deepest part of hell)
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To: spunkets
Luke intended to dictate to believers what should be their personal policy towards the poor & less fortunate.

I doubt very seriously it was intended to serve as a template for immigration policy.

215 posted on 01/23/2004 9:18:59 PM PST by skeeter
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To: spunkets
That is something that does not occur now, because once they're in no one bothers them.

I think you already can see the falicy in your argument.

216 posted on 01/23/2004 9:20:20 PM PST by skeeter
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To: swarthyguy
AMNESTY

Um, check again, it ain't amnesty... but keep Buchanoning yourself into a corner.

217 posted on 01/23/2004 9:23:41 PM PST by Porterville (Traitors against God, country, family, and benefactors lament their sins in the deepest part of hell)
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To: skeeter
falicy=fallacy
218 posted on 01/23/2004 9:24:30 PM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter
I think you already can see the falicy in your argument.

There is some real grasping of straws going on to defend the indefensible. It's almost sad to witness the desperation.

219 posted on 01/23/2004 9:26:48 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
There is some real grasping of straws going on to defend the indefensible. It's almost sad to witness the desperation.

I can empathize. I felt the same way in '86, but we all know what happened to those promises.

220 posted on 01/23/2004 9:28:34 PM PST by skeeter
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