Why You Should Support Bush's Immigration Proposal

GOPUSA ^ | 01.23.04 | J. Max Wilson

[spunkets]

"Who, then, makes the laws?"

Congress.

[imintrouble]

Good for the writers here: J.Max Wilson is a potted plant!

[skeeter]

Then let's give him one that he can enforce. That is, unless you want Kerry or Dean in the WH for the next couple of years.

A false dilemma.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Was this one of those onion.com parodies?

"Former mayor Rudolph Giuliani sued all the way up to the Supreme Court to defend the city's sanctuary policy

Did someone say Rudolph Giuliani? The one with the big contracts in Mexico advising them on "security?"

Under the Bush "outline" All remaining illegal immigrants, lacking honest employment, could be assumed to be criminals and police officers could demand immigration documentation from anyone and arrest and deport anyone based solely on their immigration status.

Nice try. But that'd be profilng. That'd be racist. Hyphenated groups would be all over the Administration. Tons of lawsuits and easy pickings for activist courts. Mass demonstratons. ABCNNBCBS 24/7 condmenations of the "racist" President. . . .

[Bernard Marx]

If the law and it's enforcement is an affront to Freedom and disrespects individual rights, then I have no respect for it.

I think that pretty well summarizes your little game. You can play it by yourself as far as I'm concerned since you get to decide what is "an affront to Freedom" and how "individual rights" are defined. I'm sure you also believe in a "Living Constitution." Bye.

[txdoda]

Nah, you're evading the fundamentals involved.>>>>>>>>

I wasn't aware that the IRS was *spinning* tax evasion.

This proposal does nothing to render their actions passed, present, or future immune from prosecution.>>>>>>>

Hmmm....We don't have the manpower to catch them *in the act*, however sometime *in the future* the feds will show up to nab you for your *past crimes* ??


THere's no reward for them. There is a reward for the country though to respect their work ethic. >>>>>>>>

Many will be *rewarded* by line-jumping MILLIONS waiting to come legally, the FIRST time.


The proposal says, "MUST have demonstratable employment".>>>>>>>>>

Yeah right, we can't account now for 10 illegals (LOW number), however, we WILL be able to account for 10 million illegals, 10 million employers, & verify all are still working.

[skeeter]

SO in your world the congress can pass laws without the support of their constituents.

I'd rather live in your definition of a 'police state', where at least the laws have the support of the people.

[McGavin999]

No, not really. If you think the Bush bashing in the press is bad now just guess what would happen if he started deporting illegals. The liberals would go wild, the businessmen would turn against him, the average man would be told that we are throwing out helpless people who are only trying to earn enought money to buy bread for their families at home, etc. etc. etc.

Sheesh, look at what the poor man is going through just from rounding up actual terrorists, he's being raked over the coals by people here and in europe. If it's going to be done, it has to be done the right way.

I heard there isn't much chance of getting this passed. People are cheering that, but all it means is that we continue to live with the problem and the problem will continue to grow.

[skeeter]

Sheesh, look at what the poor man is going through just from rounding up actual terrorists, he's being raked over the coals by people here and in europe. If it's going to be done, it has to be done the right way.

The sentiments of the American people aren't reflected in the press, either here or in Europe. If the president thinks this he's in trouble & there's nothing that you or I can do about it.

Rounding up illegals & fining their employers would be hugely popular with the American people. Period.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

There have been plenty of proposals offered on the many threads on this subject. In fact, one solution was offered and passed by 60 percent of voters in California ten years ago.

Politics by the Dems killed it as Gov. Davis refused to support the appeal of the lowest federal court's decision.

It's on track to be on this November's ballot. Son of Prop 187 will deny public services in California that are not allowed for ILLEGAL aliens by federal law. It will also require local and state employees to report ILLEGALS.

Once taxpayer subsidized housing, food, and non-emergency health care are denied what can the affected ILLEGALS do but go home?

[dagnabbit]

Rounding up illegals & fining their employers would be hugely popular with the American people. Period.

Disagree there.

[spunkets]

"So in your world the congress can pass laws without the support of their constituents...where at least the laws have the support of the people."

Here's a clue. There's no where near 50% of folks in the combined Congressional constituencies that would support the police state action called for on this thread. Those folks are a minority in the world.

[txdoda]

"anyone *sneaking in* is going to stop & take *the quiz* ??? LOL"(txdoda)

THe idea is that they had better, or they're busted. That's a simple concept. (spunkets)>>>>>>>

LOL.........Keep up with the news.......right now BP admits to only *busting* 1 out of 3 illegals (border 'watchers' say BP *busts* 1 of every 5), looks like our present *concept* needs a lot more funding.


The American taxpayer should not be buying anyone anything! Taxes are to be used to support legitimate govm't functions, not subsidizing and transfers of earnings.>>>>>>>>>>

My sentiments exactly........HOWEVER, even tho our BP & I.C.E. (??) continue to be UNDER FUNDED to do their jobs.......you'll be happy to know that GWB announced that he has TAXDOLLARS to GIVE many minority families 5,000 each, so they can *more easily* buy a house.

[onedoug]

"...called employer sanctions."

Part of the PLAN which recognizes the wider scope of the problem:

Under my (Bush's) proposal...Employers must not hire undocumented aliens or temporary workers whose legal status has expired. They must report to the government the temporary workers they hire, and who leave their employ, so that we can keep track of people in the program, and better enforce immigration laws. There must be strong workplace enforcement with tough penalties for anyone, for any employer violating these laws.

[skeeter]

Those folks are a minority in the world.

THe 'world' doesn't get to vote in US elections. Yet.

[Jmouse007]

You are absolutly right, no two ways about it. Illegal aliens have more rights than American citizens. If you don't believe me, just check out your nearest emergency room and see who is paying for their treatment and who is being treated at taxpayers expense... Check out the percentege of illegal aliens receiving public assistance verses American citizens.

If the presidents proposal goes through, then these numbers will take a quantum leap.

[Jmouse007]

You are absolutly right, no two ways about it. Illegal aliens have more rights than American citizens. If you don't believe me, just check out your nearest emergency room and see who is paying for their treatment and who is being treated at taxpayers expense... Check out the percentege of illegal aliens receiving public assistance verses American citizens.

If the presidents proposal goes through, then these numbers will take a quantum leap.

[spunkets]

"your little game"

It's not my little game.

"you get to decide what is "an affront to Freedom" and how "individual rights" are defined.

They have well recognized definitions.

"I'm sure you also believe in a "Living Constitution."

You should be more careful in coming to conclusions.

[onedoug]

You mean actually enforcing the existing laws is a "NON-PROPOSAL"?

If not in context with the wider problems of how to deal with the millions of illegals already in the country, yes.

[spunkets]

The world in that context is the US and I don't support the world having a vote in US affairs whatsoever.