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To: ThatsAllFolks2
You asked for multiple examples of President Bush saying the threat from Iraq was not imminent, so here goes. Please take the time to read them, being mindful of the time and context in which they were made, and keeping in mind that not only did previous U.S. administrations believe that Hussein had WMD, but so did the U.N. and the intelligence agencies of France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and numerous others.

You can quibble with some of these quotes if you like; however, taken as a whole, they show the president’s rationale for war. I would also ask that you read Charles Krauthammer’s excellent op-ed piece from today’s Washington Post entitled “Calling Iraq’s Bluff,” which is posted here at FR.

“The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder. We will meet that threat now, with our Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard and Marines, so that we do not have to meet it later with armies of fire fighters and police and doctors on the streets of our cities.”
[President Bush’s Oval Office address, March 19, 2003, as U.S.-led campaign begins in Iraq]

Yes, we will meet the threat now before it is imminent, so we don’t have to experience another 9/11 or worse.

"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike?"
[President Bush’s State of the Union address, January 28, 2003]

Note that the president did not answer “some” by saying the threat is imminent.

“Intelligence from multiple sources shows that Iraq is continuing efforts to deceive inspectors by moving weapons of mass destruction material around the country to avoid detection.”
[White House press release, March 6, 2003]

A thread throughout the debate preceding the Iraq campaign was that other countries and the U.N. also believed that Hussein had WMD, not just the Bush administration. Of course, opponents of Hussein’s ouster minimize this. Also, WMD “material” would include production equipment, reference strains, delivery systems, etc., not only the actual BW or CW agents.

“In 1991, Security Council Resolution 688 demanded that the Iraqi regime cease at once the repression of its own people, including the systematic repression of minorities -- which the Council said, threatened international peace and security in the region. This demand goes ignored.

“In 1991, the U.N. Security Council, through Resolutions 686 and 687, demanded that Iraq return all prisoners from Kuwait and other lands. Iraq's regime agreed. It broke its promise. Last year the Secretary General's high-level coordinator for this issue reported that Kuwait, Saudi, Indian, Syrian, Lebanese, Iranian, Egyptian, Bahraini, and Omani nationals remain unaccounted for -- more than 600 people. One American pilot is among them.

“In 1991, the U.N. Security Council, through Resolution 687, demanded that Iraq renounce all involvement with terrorism, and permit no terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq. Iraq's regime agreed. It broke this promise. In violation of Security Council Resolution 1373, Iraq continues to shelter and support terrorist organizations that direct violence against Iran, Israel, and Western governments. Iraqi dissidents abroad are targeted for murder. In 1993, Iraq attempted to assassinate the Emir of Kuwait and a former American President.

“In 1991, the Iraqi regime agreed to destroy and stop developing all weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles, and to prove to the world it has done so by complying with rigorous inspections. Iraq has broken every aspect of this fundamental pledge.

“From 1991 to 1995, the Iraqi regime said it had no biological weapons. After a senior official in its weapons program defected and exposed this lie, the regime admitted to producing tens of thousands of liters of anthrax and other deadly biological agents for use with Scud warheads, aerial bombs, and aircraft spray tanks. U.N. inspectors believe Iraq has produced two to four times the amount of biological agents it declared, and has failed to account for more than three metric tons of material that could be used to produce biological weapons. Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

“United Nations' inspections also revealed that Iraq likely maintains stockpiles of VX, mustard and other chemical agents, and that the regime is rebuilding and expanding facilities capable of producing chemical weapons.

“And in 1995, after four years of deception, Iraq finally admitted it had a crash nuclear weapons program prior to the Gulf War. We know now, were it not for that war, the regime in Iraq would likely have possessed a nuclear weapon no later than 1993.

“Iraq also possesses a force of Scud-type missiles with ranges beyond the 150 kilometers permitted by the U.N. Work at testing and production facilities shows that Iraq is building more long-range missiles that it can inflict mass death throughout the region.

We know that Saddam Hussein pursued weapons of mass murder even when inspectors were in his country. Are we to assume that he stopped when they left? The history, the logic, and the facts lead to one conclusion: Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave and gathering danger…But Saddam Hussein has defied all these efforts [sanctions, oil-for-food program, Coalition air strikes] and continues to develop weapons of mass destruction. The first time we may be completely certain he has a -- nuclear weapons is when, God forbids, he uses one. We owe it to all our citizens to do everything in our power to prevent that day from coming.”
[President Bush’s address to the United Nations, September 12, 2002]

Notice the use of the word ‘gathering’ in the last paragraph. A ‘gathering’ danger is not an imminent danger, but rather one that is forming, much like the proverbial ‘gathering storm.’ Also, the reason I highlighted certain passages above is to show that possession of actual WMD agents was not the sole purpose for the administration’s efforts to remove Hussein. His regime was in violation of nearly every major tenet of the 1991 cease-fire accords, and as Mr. Krauthammer pointed out astutely in his article I mentioned above, the U.N. was losing its resolve to maintain sanctions that prevented Iraq from further expanding its WMD research and production programs.

“The threat comes from Iraq. It arises directly from the Iraqi regime's own actions -- its history of aggression, and its drive toward an arsenal of terror. Eleven years ago, as a condition for ending the Persian Gulf War, the Iraqi regime was required to destroy its weapons of mass destruction, to cease all development of such weapons, and to stop all support for terrorist groups. The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. It has given shelter and support to terrorism, and practices terror against its own people.”
[Speech by President Bush, Cincinnati, October 7, 2002]

Here is the text from the Cincinnati speech you cited. Note that the president mentions a “drive toward an arsenal of terror,” and again, not possession of actual WMD agents or an imminent threat.

Taken as a whole, these statements show that President Bush was not presenting a case for war based on an “imminent” threat, or even based solely on an alleged Iraqi possession of stockpiles of WMD agents.

Sure, his administration like its predecessors, and the U.N. and the intelligence services of most countries involved in the debate, believed that Hussein did possess such weapons, and only time will tell if there is validity to such beliefs given the size and scope of the land mass and weapons caches to be searched. However, the WMD research and production facilities that have been discovered, along with the ballistic missile and unmanned aerial vehicle programs that have also been confirmed, and the numerous violations of the 1991 cease-fire agreements, were also presented as reasons for the necessity of Hussein’s removal before the threat he represented became imminent, so we would not “have to meet it later with armies of fire fighters and police and doctors on the streets of our cities.” Thank you for your time.

140 posted on 01/30/2004 1:01:37 PM PST by HenryLeeII
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To: Peach; sultan88; Owl_Eagle; 4ConservativeJustices; Ditto; Non-Sequitur; Mr. Mojo; ...
Reply No. 140 on this thread was the fruit of many a Freeper's labor. Thanks to all!
141 posted on 01/30/2004 1:04:57 PM PST by HenryLeeII
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To: HenryLeeII
Very, very well done. It won't satisfy the trolls of course, who seem to think the entire thing is a conspiracy. But, those people probably also believe the moon landing was a hoax so we needn't take them seriously. LOL
146 posted on 01/30/2004 1:14:57 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: JohnGalt
I have asked you several times to spell out the difference between Hussein having WMD programs and WMD stockpiles, and you can't. I have asked you several times to show me actual quotes of President Bush stating that we were going to war solely on the basis of actual WMD stockpiles, and you can't. You lack basic factual information relevant to this debate, and when I wipe the floor with you and run circles around you, you slink off without replying to my questions. Not the sign of a real man in my book.
148 posted on 01/30/2004 1:19:31 PM PST by HenryLeeII
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To: HenryLeeII
Good research work, HLII!! Amazing how the Vast, LeftWing Medyuh Whore'd refuses to allow the Truth get in the way of their radical socialist agenda!!

FReegards...MUD

153 posted on 01/30/2004 1:30:30 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: HenryLeeII
Nice job on #140, Henry. Well done.
155 posted on 01/30/2004 1:38:10 PM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: HenryLeeII
Super job on 140, Hank. I am going to bookmark this thread just for that post alone!!
157 posted on 01/30/2004 2:03:24 PM PST by sultan88 ("Five year plans and new deals, wrapped in golden chains...")
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