[HenryLeeII]

I think the WMDead Enders are an example of the crisis in masculinity. [Oh, so standing up for truth and for a president willing to lay his political future on the line in order to protect the country and rid the world of a madman shows a crisis in masculinity?]

War mongers in the past like say Rudyard Kipling were still masculine individuals who boldly declared that Empire was a worthy cause to die for. These people are like policy wonks, boring you to sleep with tales that would not scare a 10 year old, let alone understand what the hell the person is babbling about. [This from a person who lacks knowledge of basic facts regarding active WMD programs found in Iraq, or the basic intellect to realize that WMD programs produce WMD! Gee, most ten-year olds would understand that, but not the exalted JohnGalt!]

Thus the absence of the WMDs will be handled in stride by Mainstream Rightists as an intelligence and political failure that requires a remedy (resignations, dismissals), however, the Dead Enders will keep digging their own graves, unable to deal with the shame of being duped. [What absence of WMD? Brucella, ricin, Congo Crimean Hemmorhagic Fever...sound like BW agents to me. Ah! But they were only being researched, they weren't stored in nicely-labeled vials marked "Banned WMD Agent"! You have the same foreign policy understanding as a John Kerry- or Howard Dean-type.]

Dude, I see your little fantasy world is still intact and harboring you safely from the realities of the cold world! People who question others' masculinity usually have some deep-seated problems of their own.

I have asked you several times to spell out the difference between Hussein having WMD programs and WMD stockpiles, and you can't. I have asked you several times to show me actual quotes of President Bush stating that we were going to war solely on the basis of actual WMD stockpiles, and you can't. You lack basic factual information relevant to this debate, and when I wipe the floor with you and run circles around you, you slink off without replying to my questions. Not the sign of a real man in my book.

You are typical of many delusional people in thinking that whatever or whomever you like personally is representative of your political beliefs. But, I have news for you, Johnny Cash was not a right-winger in spite of being a great musical figure, and Ken Kesey was not a right-winger, either. Lumping them into some fantasy all-star camp of right-wing purists is just further evidence of how far out-of-touch with reality you are.

[JohnGalt]

Talk about denial.

There were no WMDs in Iraq; I don't know how even David Kay could have been any clearer. Most 10-years olds don't brown their shorts over a pile of beans, and that is precisely why I suspect your position is based on an overall feminization of the culture.

Real American conservatives don't see the world through such narrow ideological parameters.

Johnny Cash was an American patriot; Ken Kesey left the world Sometimes A Great Notion; Tom Wolfe captured the American spirit of both the Hells Angels and Ken Kesey's Merry Pranksters.

You see, its American we love, not the Republican Party or a particular ideology that has the favor of the moment or pulls on the reigns of power.

Now run along to a "liberal media" thread and listen to your Toby Keith MP3s.