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The Good Guys Win One (British MP Jenny Tonge is sacked for pro-suicide bomber remarks)
BBC ^ | Friday, 23 January, 2004, 15:11 GMT | Anonymous BBC story monkey

Posted on 01/23/2004 7:18:45 AM PST by alnitak

Tonge sacked over suicide comment

Jenny Tonge
Dr Tonge is stepping down as an MP at the next election

Jenny Tonge has been asked by Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy to quit his front bench following her remarks about Palestinian suicide bombers.

The Lib Dem MP has insisted she did not condone suicide bombers despite saying she would consider becoming one if she were Palestinian.

Now Mr Kennedy has asked her to step down as children's spokeswoman.

He said: "Her recent remarks about suicide bombers are completely unacceptable."

"They are not compatible with Liberal Democrat party policies and principles.

"There can be no justification, under any circumstances for taking innocent lives through terrorism."

Repeated criticism

He added he was sorry to lose Dr Tonge from his frontbench team.

Mr Kennedy's decision was announced after a day in which Dr Tonge was repeatedly criticised.

Dr Tonge said she understood her remarks may have upset some people but insisted she was not condoning violence.

"I was just trying to say how, having seen the violence and the humiliation and the provocation that the Palestinian people live under every day and have done since their land was occupied by Israel, I could understand and was trying to understand where [suicide bombers] were coming from," Dr Tonge told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

Charles Kennedy should say whether he stands by her comments and if he doesn't he should deal with her firmly


Michael Ancram
Tory MP

But fellow MP Louise Ellman, a member of the Labour friends of Israel group, said: "Jenny should be making an apology.

"She is giving the green light to terrorism at a time when we should all be urging peaceful negotiations to end the tragic conflict in the Middle East."

Dr Tonge is stepping down as MP for Richmond Park in south-west London at the next election.

She was speaking to a pro-Palestinian lobby when she said of Palestinian suicide bombers: "If I had to live in that situation - and I say that advisedly - I might just consider becoming one myself."

Trip to Israel

Shadow foreign secretary Michael Ancram said the comments would "sicken those across the world who have lost loved ones to suicide bombers".

He continued: "There can never be an excuse for taking innocent lives, and I am surprised that Ms Tonge is voicing her support for such terror."

HAVE YOUR SAY

Dr Tonge has drawn attention to the root causes of terrorism


Mark, Birmingham


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Israel's ambassador to London, Dr Zvi Shtauber said Dr Tonge's comments were "appalling".

"In my mind no grievance can justify a campaign of terror against children, bombing buses, bombing coffee shops," he said.

A statement from Dr Tonge's party said: "She was not speaking for Liberal Democrats - Liberal Democrats do not condone terrorism in any circumstances, whether by suicide bombers or anyone else."

Kenneth Collins, a former chair of the Scottish Council of Jewish Communities, said: "The comments were irresponsible and phrased in a way that people will take from them that she was in favour of terror and not peace, and I'm sure that is not what she intended."



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: araft; homicide; palestine; palestinians; suicidebombers; tonge
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To: alnitak
Dr. Tonge
Dr. Dean
Dr. Kevorkian


What is it with doctors?
21 posted on 01/23/2004 8:53:00 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever
Helen Thomas's sister?
22 posted on 01/23/2004 8:54:59 AM PST by nobody_knows
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To: KantianBurke
Wonder how their bagpiping skills are...

You'd be amazed.

23 posted on 01/23/2004 9:21:35 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: KantianBurke
"Wonder how their bagpiping skills are when it comes to Hava NeGila " Once you've heard it you'll remember it for life.
24 posted on 01/23/2004 10:01:34 AM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: nobody_knows

What an ugly mug!

And with her name I thought this was about a X-rated movie actress.

25 posted on 01/23/2004 10:03:17 AM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: highlander_UW
"trying to understand where (suicide bombers) were coming from"...

Post WWII conversation:

Labor chap:"Always wondered--you know--if we had just made the effort to understand the Nazis, where Hitler was coming from--all that rot, eh what?"

Tory: "Why, od's bods, old bean, Did understand, and all that. Why we took him on, you know. Wasn't where he ws coming from as much as understanding where he was going, you know. Speak German, do you? Haruumph!"

vaudine
26 posted on 01/23/2004 10:06:10 AM PST by vaudine
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To: alnitak
This news made my day.
27 posted on 01/23/2004 10:49:14 AM PST by lilylangtree
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To: alnitak
Fantastic news. I couldn't believe it when I saw it. even the far left Lib Dems have realised the tide is turning after Iraq (to paraphrase Roger Waters!).


"I understand THIS much about the Palis"
28 posted on 01/23/2004 10:49:37 AM PST by pau1f0rd
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To: Rutles4Ever
Dr. Tonge Dr. Dean Dr. Kevorkian What is it with doctors?

Which doctors?...or is it Witch Doctors?!

29 posted on 01/23/2004 10:51:23 AM PST by highlander_UW
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To: alnitak
"The Lib Dem MP has insisted she did not condone suicide bombers despite saying she would consider becoming one if she were Palestinian."

She shouldn't let THAT stop her!!!

She should just get a rowboat, row herself out into the middle of the Atlantic somewhere and blow yherself up. That'll make her and the rest of the world a lot happier.

TWIT.

30 posted on 01/23/2004 10:58:36 AM PST by ZULU (Remember the Alamo!!!!!)
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To: theFIRMbss
Thats it!

I'm going to have to buy the DVD today.

Just yesterday, my co-worker and I were talking about "The Life of Brian" as well as other Monty Python classics.

Check out this, one of my favorite skits....
Four Yorkshiremen

Luxury!

31 posted on 01/23/2004 11:21:27 AM PST by lormand (Dead People Vote DemocRAT)
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To: lormand
> I'm going to have to buy the DVD today.

Make sure you get the
Criterion edition.
There's commentary

by Gilliam that
talks about how the Pythons
openly made fun

of all religions
but Islam (because, he says,
Muslims take their thing

seriously and
the Pythons were afraid of
Muslim violence).

32 posted on 01/23/2004 12:00:23 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss
Thanks for the info.

Much appreciated!

33 posted on 01/23/2004 2:24:54 PM PST by lormand (Dead People Vote DemocRAT)
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To: alnitak
Woudn't this make Charles Kennedy a "Tonge suppressor"?
34 posted on 01/23/2004 3:28:49 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: alnitak
"The comments were irresponsible and phrased in a way that people will take from them that she was in favour of terror and not peace, and I'm sure that is not what she intended."

I think it was what she does intend. She is a fervent admirer of the Palestinians. I would like to know why. She has actually met some I understand since she paid a visit to Israel.

However she didn't bother to learn the truth of the cause of the bombings while she was in Israel. She took for granted, or was ingenuous enough to pretend, that she thought that the conditions created the bombing. Whereas the truth is, that the bombings created the restrictions that the Israelis place on the Palestinians. The bombings are the direct cause of the checkpoints, the wall, the policing of the arab villages and the unemployment of the Palestinians
35 posted on 01/24/2004 11:41:40 AM PST by FreeReporting
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