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Gap widening between Bush and conservatives
Townhall.com ^
| January 23, 2004
| Jonah Goldberg
Posted on 01/23/2004 5:23:57 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy
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To: carton253
I'm not saying that one shouldn't own an assault weapon... I'm asking why anyone would need one. Would you please define what you mean by "assault weapon?" Do you mean an "ugly semi-automatic gun" or a fully automatic rifle?
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:14:03 AM PST
by
Bernard Marx
("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid." Damon Runyan.)
To: Lazamataz
A simple google search ofBush assault weapons ban will show the many times it has already been mentioned in the press. He favors a permanent extension of the ban, along with a ban on imports of large ammo clips to go along with domestically manufactured.
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:15:26 AM PST
by
jeremiah
(Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
To: BureaucratusMaximus
Actually, if by Judicial Reform you mean having Bush seat more judges like Judge Reggie in the Washington DC handgun ban case.... we can do without more of the same.
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:15:29 AM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
To: kevao
Yawn!
When you have something substantial to add to the debate... I'll be happy to discuss the Prescription Plan with you.
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:20:53 AM PST
by
carton253
(The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States and war is what they got!)
To: jeremiah
From a simple search at
Whitehouse.gov "assualt weapons ban" for search criteria...
Q Ari, a new subject. The House Republicans have apparently broken with the President over the issue of the assault weapons ban. Is reauthorizing assault weapons ban a priority enough for the President to do some of his own arm-twisting to try and get the House to allow a vote?
MR. FLEISCHER: Well, I think the President's position is clear and the President supports the reauthorization of the current assault weapons ban. We are working right now with the Congress on the issues that are on their plate, that they're focusing on right now, and then Congress, of course, is going to leave for the Memorial Day recess. I mentioned the AIDS initiative and the tax cut, the growth initiative that are pending on the floor this week. The President doesn't set the congressional calendar or schedule. We'll continue to work with the Congress, and they know the President's position.
Q Does the President believe that the bill -- excuse me, the law that's on the books right now has taken steps to alleviate crimes?
MR. FLEISCHER: Well, there's a study underway to determine that, and the study is still pending. The President said in the 2000 campaign that he supported the assault weapons ban because he thought it was reasonable. He stated then that he would support the reauthorization of it, and he states that again today.
Do a Thomas.loc.gov search for the applicable bill numbers. Same search criteria. McCain is in on one of them. This is my big "conservative/not conservative" litmus test. This is my line in the sand. Molon Labe.
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:22:32 AM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
To: BureaucratusMaximus
If this were a perfect Country with conservative judges, I wouldn't have a problem with any of this. But it isn't -- too many people have been let out of prison or jail for a technicality, went out and bought weapons, and shot some innocent person.
One of my biggest complaints is some of the pawn dealers who deal on the black market. I think they should be locked away permanently.
Personally think law enforcement should be concentrating more on shutting down the illegal gun sales then on individuals buying guns from a gun dealer.
BTW -- semi automatics I don't have any trouble with at all. Just don't see the need for someone in my neighborhood to have a fully automatic rifle. Maybe if I lived on a mountaintop somewhere I might see things differently. But then I don't see where deer hunting is a sport when you put up a deer feeder, hide in a blind and pick them off as they come to feed.
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:23:06 AM PST
by
PhiKapMom
(AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
To: Dead Corpse; PhiKapMom
Be a frightened little rabbit if you want, but never assume that the rest of us are as stupid and evil as you seem to think we are.Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean you have to name call and put words in her mouth.
PhiKapMom's opinion is as valid as your opinion... even if she does not hold the same views that you do.
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:24:13 AM PST
by
carton253
(The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States and war is what they got!)
To: carton253
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:26:59 AM PST
by
jeremiah
(Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
To: carton253
PhiKapMom's opinion is as valid as your opinion... So it is OK for her to hold the opinion that people who share my opinion are stupid, evil, or both is Ok... but then my opinion of her mental state isn't?
Get a grip. PhiKap is regurgitating every debunked myth and ad homenim that the Brady Campaign has ever tried to distort the issue with.
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:34:28 AM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
To: jeremiah
Finish reading the thread, then get back to me.
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:34:49 AM PST
by
carton253
(The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States and war is what they got!)
To: Lazamataz
Informed speculation.More like a spiteful sulk.
To: PhiKapMom
BTW -- semi automatics I don't have any trouble with at all. Just don't see the need for someone in my neighborhood to have a fully automatic rifle. Is it possible to get through to you that the AWB has nothing to do with fully automatic rifles? (Those weapons are heavily restricted to civilians and governed by the National Firearms Act of 1934). Why do you refuse to acknowledge this fact?
To: Dead Corpse; PhiKapMom
Where, on this thread, has she stated that people with your opinion are :
stupid, evil, or both.As for the rest of your rant... perhaps we can continue the conversation when you are more coherent.
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:40:10 AM PST
by
carton253
(The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States and war is what they got!)
To: Lazamataz
As we all are, when we predict the future.No.
Some of us really can and do employ "informed speculation".
Others, such as yourself, do not.
To: carton253
Really?
Click here. In damn near every post PhiKap posts another myth about gun owners and firearms in general. Advocating bans and licensing is the same as saying, "You are either too criminally evil or too stupid to own a firearm of this type."
As previously stated... get a grip.
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:53:06 AM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
To: F16Fighter
Name-calling is also a sign of insecurity. Unfortunately at least for now, you've illustrated you are very much in line with my assessment of Jonah.
His article went straight down the tubes in credibility with his qualification of being an "intellectual" conservative. That's my point. I won't be fooled by a thinly veiled hit piece disguised as "conservative concern".
Too bad so many easily are.
Prairie
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:58:44 AM PST
by
prairiebreeze
(God Bless and Protect the Allied Troops. And the families here at home---they are soldiers too.)
To: Orangedog
I think the better term for was "soccer mom," the most vile creature in the country.Yes, more vile than murderers and terrorist cells.
Oh, brother.
Twits? Yes. "Most vile creature in the country"? LOL!
To: Orangedog
Say, you're a real charmer. Flinging one nasty comment after another, as a flower girl strews petals.
When do you assert was the beginning of President Reagan's affliction?
To: PhiKapMom
"....believe the worst about President Bush without any facts..." Have you been following this thread, or did you just jump in here feeling the need to defend Bush? Here are just a few of the facts:
- Did Bush propose offering amnesty to illegal aliens instead of looking for a solution that will not incourage even more millions of them to flood the country?
- Did Bush sign the campaign finance reform bill even though he thought it was unconstitutional?
- Has Bush curbed the wild spending spee one single bit?
- Did Bush just support a drugs for seniors plan that will saddle our children and their children with an even bigger boon-doggle than social security?
- Did Bush support the Farm bill that contained so much pork that it "oinked"?
- and speaking of pork, is Bush allowing all sorts of pork to pass conceled as Homeland security measures?
- Does Bush still attend the annual Bohemian Grove meetings and if so how does he justify this with his "Christian" beliefs?
There is no doubt that Bush has performed well in the face of terrorizm and the aftermath of 9-11. I thank God everyday that we had a President strong enough to stand up to this threat the way he has. I also have no doubt that we MUST re-elect him in '04. And I have praised him as often as not.
However I am not ready to roll over and play dead on so many important issues just for the sake of "keep quiet or we may end up with a Democratic President".
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posted on
01/23/2004 10:04:33 AM PST
by
Apple Pan Dowdy
(... as American as Apple Pie)
To: Apple Pan Dowdy
And I have praised him as often as not. I loved his line in this last SOTU about not needing a permission slip to defend ourselves. Damn straight we don't.
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posted on
01/23/2004 10:07:14 AM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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