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The Rosenbergs and the Obstinate Left
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | 1/23/04 | Eugene Volokh

Posted on 01/23/2004 1:52:40 AM PST by kattracks

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To: kattracks
The Rosenbergs were traitorous, Communist filth, and were dealt with justly.

The only problem I have with their treatment was that their deaths did not involve more suffering than it did.

Misguided idealists or not, what they did was pure treason that potentially could have ended with their neighbors and even their own children being incinerated in thermonuclear fire.

Those who insist on defending this Communist trash and their evil deeds believe that there should be no reprisals at all against those who would sell us all into slavery or death, it seems.

In my own life, I give Progressives, Socialists, and Communists no quarter. In debate I loudly get in their faces and scream about the 100 million murders that were committed in the name of their so-called "idealism", and insist that they justify the slaughter. Not one of them can. It's always the same old "but true Communism has never been tried, it's a humane system that got corrupted by power-hungry men" pack of excuses.

This is countered with the accusation that their "humane system" has no checks or balances to keep the Communist state in line, and that those who seek absolute power will always gravitate to positions of leadership in such a system. In other words, their "humane system" is in fact a recipe for mass murder.

Usually by this point in the conversation the Red is either becoming frightened at my vehemence and wrath, or is getting angry enough to throw a punch. Either way suits me fine. Either way it goes, I assert my domination over them, and send them scurrying back to the coffeehouse to fantasize about their "perfect utopia for the downtrodden", while the rest of us work on bettering our own lives through hard work and sacrifice.

/trying to quit smoking and feeling the righteous anger! Grrrrr!

21 posted on 01/23/2004 5:11:47 AM PST by FierceDraka (Service and Glory!)
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To: lentulusgracchus
"Venona" should bring tears of burning shame, btw, to the Meeropol woman. Her parents were liars, spies, and traitors, and they did turn their backs on the fairest and most open-minded nation on earth, to work in the shadows for one of the century's great mass-murderers.

Soviet body count: Artificial famine, gulags, the Great Terror Purges - around 40 million. Mao Zedong: 60 million.

Also, the Soviet advantage during the Korean war (having the atomic bomb, thanks to them). This caused many American soldiers' lives.

I would have pulled the switch myself on these evil entities.

This grandaughter's feeble attempt at revisionism is pathetic. What next, Stalin's grandchildren saying he was just misrepresented?

22 posted on 01/23/2004 6:04:47 AM PST by americanSoul (Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees. Live Free or Die. I should be in New Hampshire.)
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To: jamaksin
The head of the Lend-Lease Program at that time was Harry "The Hop" Hopkins - FDR's alter ego. Hopkins is now known from the VENONA Project to have been Soviet "Agent No. 19."

Thanks for this info.

23 posted on 01/23/2004 6:08:58 AM PST by americanSoul (Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees. Live Free or Die. I should be in New Hampshire.)
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To: backhoe
Wow! The stories she could have told!
24 posted on 01/23/2004 6:10:46 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (where is Count Petofi when we need him most?)
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To: knarf
LOL! You got that right. As my dear departed Mom used to say, "I know all, I see all". And she did!
25 posted on 01/23/2004 6:11:41 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (where is Count Petofi when we need him most?)
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To: FierceDraka
In my own life, I give Progressives, Socialists, and Communists no quarter.

Ditto for me. G-d Bless You.

26 posted on 01/23/2004 6:18:10 AM PST by americanSoul (Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees. Live Free or Die. I should be in New Hampshire.)
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To: kattracks
"idealists with good intentions who sincerely believed the Soviet Union was a better way"

Yes, idealists with good intentions are still paving the Road to Hell. They never cease. And they never learn.

"to remain 'misguided idealists,' they had to have willfully blinded themselves to...reality. But human beings have a remarkable capacity to do that sort of thing."

Yes, don't they? This makes them more culpable, not less.

"Still, the fact remains that either these 'left-wing activists' were evil...or fools."

Yes, scoundrels and fools. They're still at it. They have taken over the Democrat Party, the "Liberal" enclaves of America, American academia, and the "mainstream newsmedia". It's hard to say which is more dangerous, but it's probably the fools; they are the enablers of the scoundrels, and scoundrels, at least, take a rest once in a while.

27 posted on 01/23/2004 6:26:41 AM PST by Savage Beast (A fool is more dangerous than a scoundrel.)
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To: kattracks
"Our friends were dupes of the Soviets, and it turns out many of their opponents were actually smarter and more morally well-grounded than they were, but we should remember that they were just misguided idealists with good intentions"

Or in a broader context:

"Liberals", Democrats, and leftists today are scoundrels and fools who are misguided idealists, ready to pave the Road to Hell with their good intentions. MANY of their opponents are actually smarter and more morally well-grounded than they are.

28 posted on 01/23/2004 6:34:07 AM PST by Savage Beast (A fool is more dangerous than a scoundrel.)
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To: kattracks
As von Mises pointed out: "Nobody became a Communist because they thought that it would make them poor."
29 posted on 01/23/2004 6:37:28 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: xsmommy
It beats the hell out of mzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....
30 posted on 01/23/2004 8:48:36 AM PST by Argh
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To: lentulusgracchus
"Venona" should bring tears of burning shame, btw, to the Meeropol woman. Her parents were liars, spies, and traitors, and they did turn their backs on the fairest and most open-minded nation on earth, to work in the shadows for one of the century's great mass-murderers.

The question that occurs to me about these hypocrites is why they continue to live in and enjoy the freedoms of such an awful country as the U.S. If Meeropol and her siblings think Communism is the answer they should immediately get their pampered red butts to Cuba or North Korea to walk the walk.

31 posted on 01/23/2004 9:00:18 AM PST by Bernard Marx ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid." Damon Runyan.)
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To: Bernard Marx
....... they should immediately get their pampered red butts to Cuba or North Korea to walk the walk.

I heard that! And on the authority of Marx himself, no less! -- LOL!

32 posted on 01/23/2004 9:21:02 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: lentulusgracchus
on the authority of Marx himself

Only a book Marx.

33 posted on 01/23/2004 10:03:21 AM PST by Bernard Marx ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid." Damon Runyan.)
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