[Wolfstar]

I am more than pleased to defer to your knowledge on this subject, Sabertooth. You have informed yourself very thoroughly on it while I have not. However, the current political climate is not favorable to proposals such as yours succeeding. For example, a number of the leaders in the Arizona congressional delegation are pushing for a guest worker program. New Mexico, with Bill Richardson as governor, would like to lead the way toward open borders. Texas, although a conservative state, has long had kind of a blurry border with Mexico. And I don't need to tell you about California.

The Democratic, Libertarian and Green parties all want to erase the border altogether. Only the more conservative members of Congress (most not from border states) are holding the line on this issue. The President, as a former governor of a border state, is not unlike most other border state politicians on this issue. So how do the kinds of reforms you propose ever rise to the point of becoming serious legislation with a chance of passage?

[Sabertooth]

I am more than pleased to defer to your knowledge on this subject, Sabertooth. You have informed yourself very thoroughly on it while I have not. However, the current political climate is not favorable to proposals such as yours succeeding.

Where could you p[ossibly get such an idea?

I'm asking in all seriousness.

President Bush's Amnesty is a political disaster. People hate it by a wide margin now, and that margin will widen as they understand that the "not an Amnesty" is exactly that.

There has never been a better political climate than now for the proposals I've put forth.

For example, a number of the leaders in the Arizona congressional delegation are pushing for a guest worker program. New Mexico, with Bill Richardson as governor, would like to lead the way toward open borders. Texas, although a conservative state, has long had kind of a blurry border with Mexico. And I don't need to tell you about California.

Yeah, in California, pandering to Illegals failed, yet again, as it always does.

Those you named are all politicians who are woefully out of touch with the electorate on the matter of Illegals. This issue is about to blow up again. The vast majority of the political and media elite have badly misjuidged the potential for voter wrath.

The Democratic, Libertarian and Green parties all want to erase the border altogether. Only the more conservative members of Congress (most not from border states) are holding the line on this issue. The President, as a former governor of a border state, is not unlike most other border state politicians on this issue. So how do the kinds of reforms you propose ever rise to the point of becoming serious legislation with a chance of passage?

We apply the California solution: start throwing the recalcitrant bums out.