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Gun owner: I, not cops, got bad guy
Chicago Sun -Times ^ | 1/22/04

Posted on 01/22/2004 3:22:03 AM PST by kattracks

January 22, 2004


Three days after Christmas, someone broke into the DeMar family home in Wilmette through a dog door, stealing a television, an SUV and the keys to the home.

The next night, Hale DeMar was prepared for a return visit. With his children upstairs, DeMar, 54, shot burglar Morio Billings, 31, in the shoulder and calf, police said.

Billings was caught at a nearby hospital and charged with felony residential burglary and possession of a stolen car, authorities said.

And, in a move that has drawn criticism, DeMar was cited with breaking Wilmette's ban on handguns and with failing to update his firearm owner's identification card.

The misdemeanors are unlikely to bring jail time. Wilmette Police Chief George Carpenter did not criticize DeMar for protecting his family but said homes are safer without handguns.

DeMar, in a letter sent to the Chicago Sun-Times, is now speaking out:

Village Trustees ... Stick to Parade Schedules & Planting our Parks

Many of us have experienced a sense of violation upon returning to our homes, only to find that someone else has been there. Someone else has trespassed in our bedrooms, looting and stealing that which is readily replaced. Many of us, still haunted by that violation, will never again have a sense of security in our own homes. Few, however, have awakened to realize that they had been violated as they slept in their beds, doors locked, as family dogs patrolled their homes. For me, the seconds until I found my children still safely tucked in their beds were horrifying. The thought that a young child may have been hurt or abducted was incomprehensible.

The police were called and in routine fashion they came, took the report and with little concern left, promising to increase surveillance. Little comfort, since the invader now had keys to our home and our automobiles. The police informed me that this was not an uncommon event in east Wilmette and offered their condolences.

What is one to do when a criminal proceeds, undeterred by a 90-pound German shepherd, an alarm system and a property ... lit up like an outdoor stadium? And now, he had my house keys and an inventory of things he'd like to call his own. Would the police patrol my dead-end street as effectively the second time as they had the first? Would my small children be unharmed the next time? Would the career criminal be satisfied with another automobile, another television or would he feel the need, once again, to climb the staircase up to the bedrooms, perhaps for a watch or a ring or a wallet, again risking little?

Would my children wake to find a masked figure, clad in black, in their bedroom doorway, a vision that might haunt them for years? Would the police come again and fill out yet another report, and at what point should I feel comfortable that the 'bad guy' got everything he wanted and wouldn't return again, a third time?

I went to the safe where my licensed and registered gun was kept, loaded it for the very first time and tucked it under the mattress of my bed. I assured my frightened children ''that daddy would deal with the bad guy ... if he ever returned.'' Little did I imagine that this brazen animal was waiting in the backyard bushes as I tucked my children into bed.

Fifteen minutes after bedtime, the alarm went off. Three minutes after the alarm was triggered, the alarm company alerted the police to the situation and 10 minutes later the first police car pulled up to my home, but only after another call was made to 911, by a trembling, half-naked father. I suppose some would have grabbed their children and cowered in their bedroom for 13 minutes, praying that the police would get there in time to stop the criminal from climbing the stairs and confronting the family in their bedroom, dreading the sound of a bedroom door being kicked in. That's not the fear I wanted my children to experience, nor is it the cowardly act that I want my children to remember me by.

Until you are shocked by a piercing alarm in the middle of the night and met in your kitchen by a masked invader as your children shudder in their beds, until you confront that very real nightmare, please don't suggest that some village trustee knows better and he/she can effectively task the police to protect your family from the miscreants that this society has produced.

This career criminal had been arrested thirty times. He was wanted in Georgia and for parole violations in Minnesota. How many family homes had he violated, how many innocent lives were affected, how many police reports went into some back office file cabinet, only to become some abstract statistic? How is it that rabid animals like this are free to roam the streets, violating our homes and threatening the safety of our children?

If my actions have spared only one family from the distress and trauma that this habitual criminal has caused hundreds of others, then I have served my civic duty and taken one evil creature off of our streets, something that our impotent criminal justice system had failed to do, despite some thirty odd arrests, plea bargains and suspended sentences.

Hale DeMar, Wilmette

TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; gunowner; selfdefense
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To: chicagolady; .30Carbine
bump to post #4; a very good screed.
81 posted on 01/22/2004 12:19:53 PM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. Impeach activist judges!)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?; Travis McGee; Ancesthntr
Liddy is lucky.

If his wife has those guns in the open then he is guilty of constructive possession by the Feds.

A felon according to the 1968GCA used to have two options federally after parole. He could apply to the BATF for a waiver....that was written into the 1968 law or he could get a waiver from a sitting Federal judge. I have seen numerous instances of both. In 1994(?), mainly Pubbies in Congress pushed to cut off funding to the BATF for waiver review and have not refunded it since. Last year SCOTUS ruled that judges may no longer grant waivers, that by doing so they were circumventing Congress.

Hence...there is no recourse and we have already disenfranchised the gun rights of nearly 20% of adult males...often for non violent felonies like drugs and even some misdemeanors.

The current Federal sentencing minimum for gun possession by a felon is 3 years and up....up rapidly btw all the way to life in certain sensational cases. There is no parole.
82 posted on 01/22/2004 12:23:59 PM PST by wardaddy ("either the arabs are at your throat, or at your feet")
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To: RicocheT

83 posted on 01/22/2004 12:24:40 PM PST by Middle Man (Freedom good; totalitarianism bad.)
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To: kattracks
Nice post!
84 posted on 01/22/2004 12:31:38 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: kattracks
85 posted on 01/22/2004 12:32:09 PM PST by wjcsux (If you can read this, you are in range.)
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To: joesnuffy; kattracks
TRY....calling 911 when your phone lines are cut and you live in an area where cell phones are useless... When it comes to saving your family ..your spouse...your children....its your responsibility and yours alone.. The bad guys have better have one...and have learned how to use it.... You will not rise to the will only default to your level of training.

That is why my house has one of these close at hand. I am a strong proponent of gun control. If you choose to own a gun, learn to control it well.
86 posted on 01/22/2004 12:37:35 PM PST by wjcsux (If you can read this, you are in range.)
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To: chicagolady
Thanks for the ping.
87 posted on 01/22/2004 1:30:43 PM PST by sistergoldenhair
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To: xsrdx
Life is not a John Woo movie...

True - If life were a John Woo movie, there would be no plot, your rate of shots to hits would be 10 times worse than normal with a rifle or machinegun and 10 times better than normal with a pistol, and you would see white doves fly by in slow motion as a signal that something IMPORTANT is about to happen.

88 posted on 01/22/2004 1:44:24 PM PST by AzSteven
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
Liddy was trained as an attorney (and, although being convicted of a felony automatically gets you disbarred, he's claimed that there's one state where he's licensed that hasn't done so). He is also very far from stupid - not even his worst detractors make that claim. As such, he's been very upfront for many years that his wife owns all of the guns in his house. Any attempt to arrest him as a felon in possession of guns would lead to large BATF budget cuts, as they would be made fools of nationally. He'd become a great folk hero.

As stated earlier, he (and any other convicted felon) can legally go out and buy pre-1899 firearms, because they are specifically defined as non-firearms under the '68 GCA. For that reason, anyone can buy such weapons without a NICS check, wouldn't have to go through an FFL, and wouldn't fill out a 4473. Oh, and only the receiver needs to have been manufactured pre-1899 - you can get a new barrel, trigger job, etc. if that's what you want to do. The only problem is that the number of such guns in decent shape in calibers that still have ammo produced for them is quite limited - but they are out there.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that "Mrs. Liddy" also owns quite a number of Class 3 weapons. I would doubt that any home invader short of the entire 82nd Airborne Division would get out of their house with a detectable heartbeat.

Liddy is the kind of guy that makes me believe that our system is utterly unjust - he did commit a crime (several, actually), and he properly served time and went through parole as punishment - in other words, he paid his debt to society. He is no longer a physical danger to anyone - if he ever was - who doesn't first attack him or his family. He is now reformed - he hasn't (to my knowledge) committed any crimes since those he was convicted of, and he engages in a productive activity that supports him and his family, to say nothing of putting lots of dollars into various governments' coffers. He seems to be the ideal ex-con, yet our system says that this man has no right to defend himself against an attacker with the most effect means available. While I wouldn't want to take him on if I had a machine gun and he was unarmed now, what happens when he's 80 and (relative to his condition now) feeble - what's he supposed to do if some 24-year-old guy who weighs 260 pounds attacks him or his family? The system sucks, and for Liddy's sake I hope that his wife outlives him, so that he'll always have guns "stored" nearby.

89 posted on 01/22/2004 1:56:49 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: kattracks
And, in a move that has drawn criticism, DeMar was cited with breaking Wilmette's ban
on handguns and with failing to update his firearm owner's identification card.

I wonder how many burglars have simply "vanished" while on their last job, thanks to the
Bravo Sierra that local authrorities use to prevent citizens from protecting themselves
and their property.

How many home-owners have taken a pragmatic (and illegal) approach and
simply made sure their annoysome burglar gets shot dead (or at least incapacitated)...
then buried in a shallow grave or ends up as flotsam-and-jetsam that apprears
after the lake thaws out in the spring?
90 posted on 01/22/2004 2:17:59 PM PST by VOA
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To: Shooter 2.5
They ruined a good article with this ridiculous "word from their Sponsor". Where was the Armed Females when it was time to fight against those laws in Morton Grove, Winnetka, Oak Park and Evanston?

Thanks for your predictable (and hopefully unpaid) pro-NRA statement. Did you ever consider that the Armed Females of America didn't exist when these laws were passed? I looked and couldn't find out the exact date of their founding, but I never heard of them until at least the time of the infamous MMM - meaning that they almost certainly didn't exist in the early 1980's (when Morton Grove passed its handgun ban).

The NRA will probably be involved when the villagers start to try to change the law again. Will the Armed Females contribute as much time and energy?

I would hope that the NRA would provide some impetus to jumpstart the effort to get these (unconstitutional) laws changed, but if that's been done in the past I've never heard about it. NOW, by the way, would be an excellent time to begin that process, while this case is still in the news. As for AFA - yes, I would expect them to be very involved. In fact, I'll bet that they will put in more time and energy - per member - than the NRA. Take a look at their website, and tell me if you honestly think that they are less pro-gun than the NRA. Just to give you a preview: AFA is in favor of repealing all federal firearms legislation, back to and including the '34 NFA (which the NRA helped to craft, as it did the '68 GCA). 'Nuff said.

Just so you know, I've been an NRA member in good standing since 1989, and I've never been an AFA member or contributor. I didn't write this comment to bash the NRA, but to get you to see that reflexively defending the NRA at the expense of other pro-gun organizations isn't always right.

91 posted on 01/22/2004 2:20:46 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: greenwolf
This George Carpenter (the police chief) should be hearing it from the whole nation.
Anybody have an office phone number?

If it was coordinated...I think a photo-op of about 500 dozens donuts coated with
some sort of objectionable goo for the chief would be nice.
92 posted on 01/22/2004 2:24:45 PM PST by VOA
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To: xsrdx
Fair enough, but as Billy Bones said, "Dead men don't bite."

If there isn't some sleazebag of an attorney out there right now urging the perp to sue the guy it would be a surprise to me.


93 posted on 01/22/2004 2:24:54 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: kattracks
to protect your family from the miscreants that this society has produced.

Pretty rich. Watch any daytime talk/audience participation show and you'll notice the 'production' line is in full swing.

94 posted on 01/22/2004 2:33:27 PM PST by budwiesest (Lost)
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To: kattracks
He only shot him in the shoulder and calf, the guy might come back. On the other hand, if he had killed the criminal the "community" and the law would be all over him.

Shoot straight, bury deep, and keep your mouth shut, is the advice I have heard over and over. It's begining to sound alot more reasonable than the other options.
95 posted on 01/22/2004 2:37:46 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: kattracks
96 posted on 01/22/2004 2:38:20 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you must; perform without fail that what you resolve.)
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To: Ancesthntr
"Just so we're all clear on this, having an expired FOID card and possessing a firearm is a felony in Illinois -- which means he'll never again be "allowed" to have a gun while he lives there."

The fact is that Federal law prohibits anyone convicted of a felony ANYWHERE from not only legally purchasing guns, but from legally owning any ("legally," as such term is defined by our unconsitutional system of justice, that is - and They have the ability to enforce those laws, no matter how patently illegal). As such, our hero will be forever debarred the ownership and use of arms if convicted, even if he moves to a different state - and THAT is a true crime. The only thing that Hale DeMar will be able to do "legally" is to buy an antique gun (i.e. manufactured prior to 1899) because they are not defined as "firearms" under the 1968 Gun Control Act (which is followed by most states). Of course, he can always get one via a private purchase, but if he's caught with a gun after a felony conviction, he'll be serving some heavy time in prison.

Then to hell with the law.

97 posted on 01/22/2004 2:51:59 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you must; perform without fail that what you resolve.)
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To: Nanodik
Hmmm...I like that.
98 posted on 01/22/2004 3:03:18 PM PST by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: Centurion2000
Then to hell with the law

I agree with your sentiments. I can assure you that if I were a convicted felon released to live my life, I'd be of the view that I had paid my debt to society (or, in the case of the myriad victimless crimes now labeled as felonies, I'd think that society had f'd me and that I was due something back), and would seek to arm myself in self-defense. Probably, I'd start with a pre-1899 gun, but I'm sure that I'd eventually graduate to a newer toy. My life is worth more to me than virtually anything else, with only the lives of close family members (not necessarily including various in-laws :>) ) or VERY serious principles being worth more. I have, do and will do anything necessary to preserve it. After all, being tried by 12 beats getting carried by six any day.

99 posted on 01/22/2004 3:22:05 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: MileHi
where is that found?

That is the US code.

100 posted on 01/22/2004 5:17:25 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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