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To: arly; steveegg; NormsRevenge; tubebender; B4Ranch
no one has complained over the years about the point system, while earnhardt senior and gordon where taking advantage of it, but now that a ford team has one it now becomes a problem hey?

that may or may not have anything to do with the France (eeek) family's love of prestige and cash money.

Now, with that out of the way... I was wondering last night when I first read this (and I think the new system sucks) whether Dale Sr. and the King would maintain their 7 respective championships were we to go back and recalculate the old stats by the new rules. curious, huh? I've gotta go study for a few hours, but it's an interesting question in my view.

My first blush opinion is that Dale might have more than 7... and Harry Gant and Martin might have won a championship.

28 posted on 01/20/2004 3:27:34 PM PST by glock rocks (molon labe)
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To: glock rocks
I wonder how much influence the net works had in this lame system. These are the things that piss off drivers and cause them to form a "union". If that happens then there goes the uniqueness of Nascar Racing...
29 posted on 01/20/2004 4:41:44 PM PST by tubebender (Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see...)
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To: glock rocks
Just keep the beer coming.. We'll get thru this season somehow.. ;-]

Beer balloon : A Budweiser beer glass hot-air-balloon is flying over 2,391 meters high mountain Wilder Kaiser located in Tirolian Alps.   (AFP/Joe Klamar)

Beer balloon : A Budweiser beer glass hot-air-balloon is flying over 2,391 meters high mountain Wilder Kaiser located in Tirolian Alps. (AFP/Joe Klamar)

30 posted on 01/20/2004 6:11:18 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ...... /~normsrevenge - FoR California Propositions/Initiatives info...)
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To: glock rocks
My first blush opinion is that Dale might have more than 7

Yeah, Earnhardt was a strong finisher. Seems like this may favor large teams with more organization and resources. Some teams start running out of momentum around midseason and have a hard time preparing week to week.

32 posted on 01/20/2004 6:28:19 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: glock rocks
Here's some food for thought; take a look at the 2002 season. That year, your top 10 after 26 races (using either the old or the new system; adding 5 for wins and taking 5 away for poles doesn't matter in the order) were:

Sterling Marlin
Mark Martin
Jimmie Johnson
Jeff Gordon
Tony Stewart
Rusty Wallace
Bill Elliot
Matt Kenseth
Ricky Rudd
Ryan Newman

Also in the 400-point club were Dale Jarrett and Kurt Busch (11th and 12th respectively). Applying the "new math" to the last 10 races that year, the top ten looks just a "wee-bit" different from what it actually was:

  1. Kurt Busch - 6563 points (had 3 wins, 1 pole in the last 10 races; ended up 3rd)
  2. Tony Stewart - 6504 points (no wins/poles; was the 2002 champ)
  3. Ryan Newman - 6425 points (1 win/4 poles; was 6th)
  4. Mark Martin - 6372 points (no wins/poles; was 2nd)
  5. Dale Jarrett - 6316 points (no wins/poles; was 9th)
  6. Rusty Wallace - 6301 points (no wins/1 pole; was 7th)
  7. Jeff Gordon - 6300 points (1 win/no poles; was 4th)
  8. Jimmie Johnson - 6278 points (1 win/no poles; was 5th)
  9. Matt Kenseth - 6246 points (1 win/no poles; was 8th)
  10. Ricky Rudd - 6142 points (no wins/poles; was 10th)
  11. Bill Elliot - 5933 points (no wins/poles; was 13th behind Dale Earnhardt Jr and Jeff Burton)
  12. Sterling Marlin - 5304 points (no wins/poles; was 18th behind Earnhardt, Jeff Burton, Elliot, Michael Waltrip, Ricky Craven, Bobby Labonte and Jeff Green after a crash cut his season short)
With results like that (and the yellow-flag lottery; we have to get DW and company to use that term), you can only wonder if the "third-generation" curse is in the midst of striking NASCAR.
35 posted on 01/21/2004 4:52:22 AM PST by steveegg (You don't clean up 8 years of messes in 4, only to turn it over to Pigpen - W'04)
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