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To: Amelia
Amelia wrote:
Can you tell me what percentage of votes Pat Buchanan, Alan Keyes, and the other "true conservatives" received in the 2000 primaries
You would have to include George W. Bush in the conservative ranks in 2000, and that means there were a whole lot of votes cast for conservatives.

Remember, George W. Bush ran as a conservative and promised to advance parts of the conservative agenda. After being elected, he signed a CFR law that he promised to veto if it had certain provisions in it (and it still had those provisions in it when he signed it). He also let Ted Kennedy write the "No Child Left Behind" Education bill.

Then, we conservatives were told that we couldn't expect the conservative agenda to be advanced because Dems controlled the Senate. So, in 2002, conservatives turned out in large numbers and the Senate was turned over to Republican leadership. In return, we got farm subsidies and a huge Medicare entitlement so that our grandchildren can buy pills for Bill Gates when he gets older.

Now, the Bush campaign wants us to believe that if we re-elect Bush, he'll be a conservative in 2005-2008, but he can't be conservative now because he needs to get re-elected. Well, I'll probably hold my nose and vote for Bush this year because the alternatives are just too scary to consider.

I do think that we need to register some sort of protest. And the Republican party needs to decide if it wants to be truly conservative, or if it wants to be the Socialist-lite party. And if the Republican's don't want to be conservative, then there should be a truly conservative party to challenge them. This is especially true if the Democrats continue to marginalize themselves (and Whig out as might happen). That might provide an opportunity to shift things to a two party system where the current Republican party (most of it anyway) is the liberal/socialist choice, and a new conservative party (Constitution Party?) provides the balance and challenge from the right.

If conservatives don't come up with some plan of action, we will become the blacks of the republican party. Always counted on for 90% plus turnout, and never getting anything of consequence for those votes.

191 posted on 01/19/2004 12:13:04 PM PST by cc2k
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To: cc2k
and a new conservative party (Constitution Party?) provides the balance and challenge from the right.


I read a post by one of their State Ch. the other day saying they weren't really pushing the Presidential race this year but concentrating on lower level races... which ones I have no idea...... But they can't get over 100,000 votes nationally then they have very little to work with. Any party that becomes a start up party needs to get the grassroots orgs in place in order to be a viable player on the national scene, imo.

I guess the Perot, Reform Party or whatever he ran under would be the exception... He had the cash, was willing to spend it, and got a ton of free publicity from LKL. The libertarians usually field a lot of local candidates yet get very few elected. It's a tough road to traverse for the 3rd party, I think.

A poll the other day indicated that the Republicans support the President by some 91%... In the Primary race it makes little difference if he has a bunch of unknown challengers as he'll win the nomination easily, imo. Now if they stay away in the general it could present problems.....
198 posted on 01/19/2004 12:36:29 PM PST by deport
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To: cc2k
Remember, George W. Bush ran as a conservative

In whose dream world? George W. Bush was one of the least conservative candidates on the GOP ticket in the primaries.

As an example, the "No Child Left Behind" program which was one of the centerpieces of his campaign was guaranteed to increase Federal involvement in education, where the Federal government has no business being involved in the first place.

George W. Bush ran as a moderate and he won (barely) because he ran as a moderate.

Personally, I learned a lesson in 1992, so after fussing and complaining, I held my nose and voted for Bush in 2000. However, he didn't run as a conservative and I didn't expect a conservative. On the whole, I've been pleasantly surprised in some instances, and not too surprised by others that left some people here claiming they "felt betrayed". To me, those people are either disingenuous or delusional, because G.W.B. has, in my opinion, done pretty well what he said he'd do.

201 posted on 01/19/2004 12:43:29 PM PST by Amelia
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