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Posted on 01/18/2004 5:53:14 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Female, forty and furious January 19, 2004 - 11:24AM

On the attack ... Sharon Stone, Holly Hunter and Meg Ryan.

Hollywood's most formidable female stars have united to condemn "sexist" film moguls for failing to find roles for women over 40.

Meg Ryan, Holly Hunter, Charlotte Rampling, Sharon Stone and Whoopi Goldberg are among a group of 30 actresses who have taken part in a documentary by Rosanna Arquette to be screened in Britain this summer.

The documentary is seen as a thinly veiled attack on moguls such as Harvey Weinstein - the portly co-owner of Miramax - who control the film industry and the careers of Hollywood actresses.

Arquette, 44, who rose to fame when she starred opposite Madonna in the 1985 film Desperately Seeking Susan, said that her interest in what happened to 40-year-old women in Hollywood was sparked by the experience of

Debra Winger, the star of Terms of Endearment, who announced that she was quitting in 1996 aged 40. "Ageing," Arquette said this week, "equals career death."

In the documentary, called Searching For Debra Winger, Winger, who has been nominated for three Oscars, tells how she decided to quit and reveals that while she was working on An Officer And a Gentlemen the notorious producer Don Simpson told her that she needed diet pills.

Julianna Margulies, 37, who starred in ER opposite George Clooney, speaks frankly about the rigours of the casting couch. "You ask anyone that has been in those [audition] meetings. They say, 'Yeah that actress is great but would you f*** her?' And they ask all the men in the room."

The documentary will provoke heated debate in Hollywood, which has long been accused of discriminating against women for their age and beauty. Arquette told London's Sunday Telegraph that she had already received criticism from film bosses. "There are a lot of misogynistic men who are very angry about it," she said. "They've told me, 'It's just a bunch of chicks sitting around bitching about us'."

In the film, Daryl Hannah, 43, says that the root of the problem lies "with the guys who run the studios. They choose projects that they identify with and they say, 'I'd like to be that man having an affair with a chick of 18'."

Samantha Mathis, 33, agrees. "It's the revenge of the nerds syndrome, all these guys couldn't get a girlfriend in high school. They are smart but they have no social skills; suddenly they are running studios in a position of power."

Arquette's subjects are candid and often angry about the way the industry has spat them out once they have aged. Martha Plimpton, 33, says: "For women it's either, she's a starlet or she's an old hag." Whoopi Goldberg adds that film producers "want you to think that you're done" once actresses had turned 40.

Arquette, who is currently filming another documentary about musicians, continues to act and has recently been filming two comedies with the British actresses Imogen Stubbs and Jennifer Saunders.

She says that certain elements of Hollywood have always annoyed her. "I find it offensive that in Hollywood a 68-year-old movie star is paired with a 30-year-old, or someone even younger. You think, 'Come on, who are you kidding'. It is offensive."

Other interviewees said that they had financial problems when the parts dried up. Theresa Russell, 46, says: "It was really hard, I didn't get an audition for years and I started running out of money. I thought, what else can I do? I resent being in this situation. They want to put you out to pasture."

In any other profession, she says, "your work would get better the older you got". Holly Hunter, 45, who won an Oscar for The Piano, believes actresses are at their peak at 40. "The deal is that actresses who are good have probably never been better once they hit 40. Once I hit 40 I had charms that I didn't have when I was 30 and I want to use them."

Teri Garr, 53, who has appeared in more than 50 films, including Tootsie, insists that films should reflect the existence of older women in real life. "There are people who are my age and older who still exist in the world, so there should be writers who write stories that include them. There should be parts for us, even if they are smaller."

She adds: "I remember when I was young the great actresses telling me, 'Wait till they tell you your face has been ravaged by time'."

Diane Lane, 39, dislikes the vocabulary used to describe older women's looks. "If you want to live you must age. Beauty has to be a certain way [in Hollywood]." If you age, she says, "it is described as 'damaged beauty' or 'sad beauty' or 'aged beauty'." She adds: "Character actresses will always work freely because they are not coming from the immaculate time when one looked perfect." Adrienne Shelley, 38, the star of The Unbelievable Truth, tells of how much sex plays a part of being a Hollywood actress. She says: "I get a call in my car on the way to an audition from the agent. He said, 'What is really important is that they think you are f***able'.

"The man walks in and looks right at my tits and I saw in his face that there was no way I was going to get the part. And yet in the real world there is no way I would give this guy the time of day."

Lane urges women to make more of an issue of the problem. "When women don't want to talk about these issues it is so awful," she says. "Hiding away just perpetuates the problem.

"Women want to watch other women of their own age sometimes. All these young people are great but let them watch each other. We want to watch us."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: actress; aging; castingcouch; hollyweird; hollywood
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To: ValerieUSA
One of my daughter's (she's 21) guy friends was over yesterday for breakfast, and was talking about when he becomes old and has a family. I guess he was referring to when he gets to be in his late 20's or early 30's. Cracked me up.
301 posted on 01/19/2004 8:02:04 AM PST by Sam Cree (democrats are herd animals)
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To: Yaelle
So that's how the average man sees us?

No, but it's how most attractive men see you.

302 posted on 01/19/2004 8:07:09 AM PST by Woahhs
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To: Sam Cree
You look better than anyone posted yet!!
40 was my favorite age.
303 posted on 01/19/2004 8:07:49 AM PST by fritzz
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To: fritzz; ValerieUSA
You must have meant to post to ValerieUSA.
Yes, she looks good, and so does 40.
304 posted on 01/19/2004 8:09:37 AM PST by Sam Cree (democrats are herd animals)
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To: ValerieUSA
You don't look damn good at 45. You simply just look damn good!
305 posted on 01/19/2004 8:12:50 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Sam Cree
Thanks for the forward.
306 posted on 01/19/2004 8:17:09 AM PST by fritzz
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To: HHFi
"I'm with you on Diane Keaton. I thought she was hotter than her daughter in that picture. Personally, I'm pretty appalled by the shallowness of a lot of these posts, slamming women over 40 as "hags." I thought Freepers had a bit more depth and better taste. I'm 46 myself, and I don't drool over Twinkies like Britney Spears. Sex appeal is more than looks, and most women don't even begin to get interesting to me until they're at least 30 and have become more worldly, experienced and womanly. Come on, "do you seriously think Bo Derek was sexier when she was a young, blank-faced mannequin than she is now?"

I'm with you!I just turned 50 and I have always liked older ladies.Even in high school my girlfriends where older.I like maturity and attitude,I find it sexy.

As for as Katheren Bates,she doesn't seem to be hurting for work work either.By the way,she may be on the heavy side I think her attutude,smile,and the twinkle in her eyes makes her sexy.

307 posted on 01/19/2004 8:19:26 AM PST by painter
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To: Sub-Driver
"The man walks in and looks right at my tits and I saw in his face that there was no way I was going to get the part. And yet in the real world there is no way I would give this guy the time of day."

Ha! The irony here is rich!

308 posted on 01/19/2004 8:28:44 AM PST by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head
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To: ValerieUSA
I look damn good at 45. I wonder what you look like?

I'd post a picture, but you ain't got that much "blur" left over ;o)

309 posted on 01/19/2004 8:29:05 AM PST by Woahhs
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To: Yaelle
Well, I am not putting my grapefruits naked into silk! LOL!

That's all we ask! And I, in return, will wear pants that don't "go plumber" when I accept the Oscar for my stunning portrayal of Howard Dean in "One Beer Hall Short of a Putsch," coming soon to a theatre near you.

310 posted on 01/19/2004 8:29:16 AM PST by wizardoz ("Crikey! I've lost my mojo!")
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To: Sub-Driver
Enterainment: Something that amuses, pleases, or diverts, especially a performance or show. When you can no longer do this or no one wants you to do this you become unemployed. Should have chosen a diferant profession.
311 posted on 01/19/2004 8:29:46 AM PST by TomHarkinIsNotFromIowa (Foe Hammer!)
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To: LisaMalia; gaijin
You make no mention of male actors, and their "sellability" after the age of 40. You might want to address that one.

I think two aspects are at play here.

1) Men remain 'sexy' longer than women. Not entirely sure why. Suspect it has to do with how power relates to sexiness. Most 18 year old girls don't find 50 year old men sexy - but power is an aspect of a man's sexual attraction. If a man stays in good physical shape, is successful and (important!) seems capable of talking intelligently, he's still able to play a romantic lead. Sean Connery (sp?), Harrison Ford and Cary Grant all come to mind. Young women - say, from 18-35, could imagine falling in love with such a man.

Young men, from 18-35, can project themselves as someday turning into a Cary Grant - tho at 45, I've got to admit my odds seem poor ;>) - but men aren't as interested in romance as they are in sex.

That doesn't mean a woman becomes undesirable at 40 - either Hepburn, Sally Field or Michelle Phieffer (sp - sorry) are examples of beautiful women who remained beautiful past 40 - to men who are past 40. But the normal target audience is the 18-30 male: guys who define good beer as 'free' and good wine as one with a convenient screw top.

When I was in high school, a very pretty but very quiet girl shocked a group discussion on sex by commenting simply, "All guys want is to get in your panties!" Since all of us guys sitting there wanted to get into hers, it was kind of hard to deny. That's the target audience - the ones who buy tickets - so Hollywood responds with young, artificially enhanced females. Very few men mature enough to appreciate a grown woman buy movie tickets - don't know if that is the chicken or the egg.

Bottom line to point 1: Girls want romance, and can imagine falling in love with Harrison Ford. Boys want sex, and cannot imagine getting it from Hepburn in her 50s. So men remain 'sellable' longer.

2) Many older roles require someone who has had success in some field for a long time in order to be believeable. For example - you need to send a highly experienced astronaut into space to save the world. How many woman astronauts were there in the 60s? What is the percentage of female fighter pilots? Army Rangers? You need a successful (and therefor evil) CEO - do you pick a woman or a man? One in a great while, a role comes along requiring a successful mother - the wife in National Velvet comes to mind, only 50 years ago - but they are rare. Many roles require a man in his 50s, even if there is no romance/sex involved.

312 posted on 01/19/2004 8:30:57 AM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: Richard Kimball
Cameron Diaz is considered over the hill, as is Alicia Silverstone, if they even know who she is.

Cameron Diaz?? Man, that was a short run!

313 posted on 01/19/2004 8:32:26 AM PST by wizardoz ("Crikey! I've lost my mojo!")
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To: Sub-Driver
Why don't they get off their lazy a$$e$ and start their own production companies like Marilyn did? Then they can make any old movie and star in it themselves. Let the market decide.

People over 40 have almost all the money.
314 posted on 01/19/2004 8:35:50 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: AlbionGirl
>>My advise would be not to go younger, unless of course, as I stated in my previous post, a vow of silence is taken.<<

I suddenly found myself single at 43. I got together with a couple of "twenty something's" and found the same problem. They were kids, pure and simple. I cannot have a "spousal" relationship with a kid. I met RobRoys Woman and have been in marital bliss ever since. We both celebrate our 50th birthdays next week. Youth is way, way overrated - unless it's your kids they are talking about.

>>Also, all this talk of how poorly women age brings to mind how a lot of men look w/their shirts off after the age of 45 or so. What the hell happens to their pecs, they become so mushy. Quite the turnoff, if you ask me. Men look better w/craggly faces though.<<

The key is that you have to hit the gym at least twice a week. I bicycle commute and it helps a lot but I still have to do the upper body workouts. The older you are, the more work it takes, it's that simple.

Regarding the aging of men and women: When men get older, they look like Sean Connery. When women get older, they look like Sean Connery.


315 posted on 01/19/2004 8:40:27 AM PST by RobRoy
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To: FITZ
Yes --- it's just the young bimbo roles that are not available for those women under 40 --- which is too bad for those whose careers depended on getting naked for the camera and playing those bimbo roles.

Yeah. Whenever Susan Sarandon starts holding forth in her self-righteousness about feminism et al, I remember her on her back with her legs in the air in Rocky Horror with Tim Curry over her saying, "Do you really want Brad to see you like this?"

316 posted on 01/19/2004 8:43:32 AM PST by wizardoz ("Crikey! I've lost my mojo!")
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To: theophilusscribe
Boy, Meg Ryan looked like hell in Kate & Leopold, though. Just haggard and bitter.... I was hoping Leopold would escape back into the past without her. Poor SOB.
317 posted on 01/19/2004 8:46:01 AM PST by wizardoz ("Crikey! I've lost my mojo!")
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To: ValerieUSA
WOW!!

You are a serious BABE.

318 posted on 01/19/2004 8:46:58 AM PST by painter
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To: ValerieUSA
Say, remember that song "Bette Davis Eyes?" They should write one for you called "Nicole Kidman Eyes."
319 posted on 01/19/2004 8:48:44 AM PST by wizardoz ("Crikey! I've lost my mojo!")
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To: exit82
Garr was also in episode of Star Trek around 1967. She's probably more like pushing 60.
320 posted on 01/19/2004 8:49:08 AM PST by jaugust (Old Curmudgeon)
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