New study: homosexual men promiscuous -42.9% in Chicago Shoreland Area had 60 partners

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[NicknamedBob]

"...Well..., she could say "yes"...."

She probably says, "You can be such an a$$..."

[freebilly]

She probably says, "You can be such an a$$..."

That would be my ex-wife....

[DeweyCA]

42.9 percent of homosexual men in Chicago's Shoreland area have had more than 60 sexual partners

This was a 3-year study. It is not clear from the article if these are stats just from the 3 years during the study, or if they were lifetime stats for these guys.

[willyboyishere]

No, I never saw the PBS story on the gene that protects against AIDS, but now you've piqued my interest, and I'll "google" it: it's bound to be an interesting theory.
As far as "isn't there something wrong with people like this", well, of course, there's always something wrong and anti-life about self-destructiveness, and for lots of reasons, some of them not of their own making, gays have seemed hell-bent on self-destructiveness. That may be inherently a male trait, though (think about it next time you watch boxing, football, "Jackass", or any number of other male rituals.)
I see it as something that merely "is", and have no interest in forming judgements on it. That's not what's interesting about it, and no amount of judgements from others have changed it or are ever going to change it. In fact, the judgements make it worse, and fuel the more obnoxious and aggressive forms of activist gay behavior. As far as the comparison with "biting heads off chickens" at the carnival, I can only point to Ozzy Osbourne as a cautionary tale.

[Wally_Kalbacken]

Let's see. A group of states sued tobacco manufacturers to recover the cost to states of health services delivered to those who died of smoking related diseases. OK. Then - you have a subculture that, by its behavior, creates epidemics of diseases that shovel massive amounts of health care expenses onto the public sector. Should we hold our breath waiting for Eliot Spitzer to sue...whom? I didn’t think so.

[jim35]

Just gross!!!!

[Jaysun]

Misery loves company. That's why the queers all act like they're on Viagra feedbags, and bounce around like Michael Moore's man-tits on a trampoline. Most of them are also heavy drug and/or alcohol users. They try to distract themselves from thinking about their revolting behavior. That's also why they work so hard at trying to convince the rest of society to accept them as equal.

[TomasUSMC]

News Flash
Sticking your penis in kaka is not good. Homos get sick alot. Homos die alot quicker. Don't tolerate Homos. Don't spend money on Aids. Spend money on diseases like leukemia, cancer, and finding the cure for the most dreadful disease of them all the democratic party.

[RWR8189]

Im from the Chicago burbs, and I can't say I've ever heard of "Shoreland" either.

But I do know that we have always reffered to a special part of Wrigleyville as queerville.

[Ophiucus]

Sticking your penis in kaka is not good. Homos get sick alot. Homos die alot quicker. Don't tolerate Homos. Don't spend money on Aids.

Such an eloquent and intelligent post. Was the fifth grade your senior year?

AIDS is not isolated to homosexuals alone. Many heterosexuals have AIDS, many infected from non-sexual transmission.

Should we just let them die?

[Ophiucus]

No, I never saw the PBS story on the gene that protects against AIDS, but now you've piqued my interest, and I'll "google" it: it's bound to be an interesting theory.

It is interesting - so is the search for the plague that might have caused the mutation. About 1% of Northern European descendants have the resistance. It's a double recessive trait which means it has to come from both parents.

This is from the HIV/AIDS Health News site (requires login so I'm posting the article).

Smallpox behind Aids immunity?

11/12/2003

New research suggests the tiny number of people who are immune to Aids are the descendants of Europeans who developed resistance to smallpox in the Middle Ages. Smallpox has left a signature on our genetic makeup, providing a benefit to us 700 years later, says study coauthor Alison Galvani, an epidemiologist at the University of California at Berkeley.

If Galvani is correct, she may have punctured the prevailing wisdom that the prime suspect behind Aids immunity is bubonic plague, the deadly disease that wiped out a third of Europe in the 14th century.

Fascinating and provocative research
The new research is fascinating and provocative, says Cheryl Ann Winkler, a genetic scientist at the American National Cancer Institute who helped develop the plague theory in the late 1990s.

Unfortunately, the findings may reveal more about the past than the future. Experts don't expect their research to have any effect on treatment of people with Aids.

The existence of Aids immunity itself isn't new.
Researchers discovered it in the 1980s during the early years of the Aids epidemic, when they noticed that some people were repeatedly exposed to the virus but didn't get infected.

How gene mutation works
In total, about one percent of people descended from Northern Europeans are virtually immune to Aids. They share one trait in common: a pair of mutated genes that prevent their immune cells from developing a receptor that lets HIV, the Aids virus, break in. It's like a lock and key, Galvani explains: The virus can't gain entry because the lock isn't there.

To be born with a pair of the mutated genes, people must inherit them from both parents. About 10 percent to 15 percent of descendants of Northern Europeans have just one mutated gene, which provides limited protection: It takes longer for those infected with the HIV to actually develop Aids.

The gene mutations are essentially unknown among East Asians, Africans, American Indians and Middle Easterners, although they do appear in Central Asian countries. In Europe, they're most common in Swedes - 14 percent have at least one of mutated genes - and less common in southern European countries such as Greece. The percentages imply that the roots of the gene mutations lie somewhere in the history of Northern Europe.

Mutations traced back to the Middle Ages
In 1998, a team of researchers calculated the mutations are about 700 years old and began searching for an explanation. Some strong selective pressure must have jacked up [their] frequency from a single mutation of one chromosome in one individual to approximately 10 percent of the European population, Winkler says.

The prevailing theory is those who had the mutation were spared infection by one or more diseases and lived to pass the mutation to future generations.

Winkler and colleagues pointed a finger at the plague, a disease that killed as many as 40 percent of Europeans during the Black Death around 1350 and made a return visit two centuries years later. The plague appears to use attack immune cells in a similar way as HIV.

Why smallpox link makes sense
The 1998 study left open the possibility that other diseases - such as smallpox, syphilis or influenza - could have spurred the spread of the genes. In the new study, published in a recent issue of the American Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, researchers argue that the clues point to smallpox, not plague.

Smallpox makes more sense for a variety of reasons, the researchers say, including its stubbornness. While plague came and went in huge waves, smallpox was always around and influencing the genetics of humans.

There's other evidence for smallpox, which was eradicated in the 1970s. The illness largely attacked children, while plague sickened people of all ages. A protective gene is more likely to survive through generations if people who have it spend a lot of time reproducing after they avoid death. Older people have much less impact because they're not going to have children anyway, Galvani says.

Nature also takes away
But things aren't necessarily all wonderful for those with these kinds of mutations. When nature giveth, nature also taketh away. Or, as scientists like Galvani put it, there's a cost of resistance.

For example, one type of gene mutation protects people against malaria, but also makes them more susceptible to sickle cell anaemia. While the mutation currently in question may make people immune to smallpox and HIV, its effects on immune cells could cause people to be more susceptible to other illnesses. Galvani, however, thinks the effects are probably minor.

Significance of the findings?
The impact of the new findings may also be minor. Neither Winkler nor Galvani expects they'll directly lead to new treatments for Aids. But the debate over the origins of HIV immunity is sure to continue as long as scientists such as Galvani are intrigued by the possibilities.

I just find it really fascinating that diseases have left their signatures on our genome, she says. - (HealthDayNews)

[Crusher138]

Gotta say I wonder the same thing.

I went to college in the early 80's and belonged to a fraternity. If timeframe is not relevant, than I score pretty high on their scale.

I started dating my wife two months after graduation and have been faithfully monogamous ever since (20 years this February), but this survey would make me out to be promiscuous.

[Jimmy Valentine]

Average lifespan of a practicing homosexual is 40 years.

It is an extraordinarily destructive lifestyle generally marked by drugs, alcoholism venereal disease and psychological problems.

Aids is just one more result.

regards,

[Hank Kerchief]

AIDS is not isolated to homosexuals alone. Many heterosexuals have AIDS, many infected from non-sexual transmission.

How many?

I mean, compared to the numbers of people with diseases like leukemia, cancer, how many have AIDS who not queer.

Before you answer, you might want to read, The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS By Michael Fumento.

Hank

[TC Rider]

According to the researchers, 42.9 percent of homosexual men in Chicago's Shoreland area have had more than 60 sexual partners, while an additional 18.4 percent have had between 31 and 60 partners. All total, 61.3 percent of the area's homosexual men have had more than 30 partners, and 87.8 percent have had more than 15, the research found.

And that was just Friday night!

Researchers said that homosexual men tended to be primarily "transactional" -- a term used for seeking short-term sexual encounters -- while homosexual women tended to be more relational by seeking "enduring sexual relationships."

What does a lesbian bring on a second date?
Her furniture!

[NCPAC]

Yes, TomasUSMC, kaka "bad," other places "good." I get it. Still, preference is different than promiscuousness, isn't it? What if it's a man and a woman engaging in a little back packing? (Yes, that question was meant rhetorically.)

[NCPAC]

Congratulations on your upcoming anniversary!

I'm mid 40's, divorced, and like you was faithful throughout the course of my marriage. However, in my non-married years, though I don't approach anywhere near the top of the scale discussed in the article/survey, I'm well above the lifetime average of five partners. Therefore, I think I would be considered at least borderline on some randomized "promiscuity chart."

I've always considered an individual to be promiscuous if he/she was sleeping with someone while involved with someone else: A male or female slut. Free agents, on the other hand, can do as they please - but I would hope they could show some restraint, both for their own good as well as for the good of others!

[NCPAC]

Thank you for your response. A friend of mine would agree with you totally. She's in her late 30's and has been with one man her entire life: Her husband. This is a fact of which she is extremely proud.

[NCPAC]

Thanks for your response!

Are you comparing the urge to take something with the urge to sleep with someone? I couldn't tell, exactly, from the wording of your question.

As for the way in which I worded my question, I was taught that you never define the answer to any question within the question itself unless you are purposely attempting to influence the answer, which I was not.

[chance33_98]

Good questions - I would suppose whoever conducted the study had their own idea on it. I did notice in a search that such a term as promiscuity applies in varies studies, even in guppies.

I think most people have an idea somwhere in the back of their mind as to what they feel it means in relations to themselves as well as to the rest of society (in which case promiscuity can mean a variance on a statistic - the avg person may have 10 partners over a lifespan for example, so anything over that would be a variance. The higher you go from 'norm' the more labels outside of 'normal' will be created to define you for identifying purposes).