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[You are both making the very points, why Bush's guest worker program is a step in the right direction.] Wrong.

[Bush is addressing a serious problem, which existed and has been getting worse for the past 15 years.]
No Bush is not addressing a serious problem. Bush is playing politics with a serious problem. The past amnesty program showed that it was a failure by increasing illegal immigration. The problem has been getting worse becasue we refuse to address it, jsut as Bush is now refusing to address it.

[As for the cost, I guess you don't mind paying for all the lazy bums collecting welfare, just as long as they are citizens.] I have no idea where you are going with this. Do you?

No Bush is not addressing a serious problem. Bush is playing politics with a serious problem. The past amnesty program showed that it was a failure by increasing illegal immigration.

Nobody has said that simply granting illegals legal status will fix the problem. We've said that we have a way to fix the problem and we'll allow illegals to participate in it if they cooperate and that's not the centerpiece of this proposal.

[As for the cost, I guess you don't mind paying for all the lazy bums collecting welfare, just as long as they are citizens.] I have no idea where you are going with this. Do you?

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Americans shun menial labor. Hence there is a need for workers, who are willing to do that kind of work. Enter the illegal aliens, who are more than willing to do that kind of work at lower than minimum wage.

If we took away the incentive from Americans to lay about, instead of working -- because we are handing out welfare, maybe they would actually work, then there may not be as much demand for illegal aliens, as workers.

On another thread a few of us were sharing anecdotal and actualy well known info, that if you hire "an American" to clean up your back yard, or do menial work, he wants a lot of money, it takes him a long time and won't even do a decent job. You hire a Mexican legal or illegal, and the work is done fast and well, because they actually WORK.