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Hidden gun just means your fear's out in open
The Albuquerque Tribune ^ | January 17, 2004 | Gene Grant

Posted on 01/17/2004 6:09:53 AM PST by TERMINATTOR

One of my more interesting touch points, as a member of the conservative persuasion, is the gun ownership issue - who has the right to bear arms and how the dogged determination to own a gun can affect so many other aspects of life.

I'm not a gun person - never have been, never will be - which obviously puts me at odds with some of my brethren. It's just a personal choice. But if you want to go out on the Rio Puerco and take pops at grape soda cans with your buddies or run around the woods in fatigues and play militia, it's all fine by me.

What I do have issues with is our state concealed-carry law. Big issues, in fact.

The net result of concealed-carry is that some innocent person will be smoked by someone because of fear, mistaken intent or whatever reason at some point. It's a lock. You can call, e-mail and scream all you want, but in every single concealed-carry community in this country, it's happened.

Why? Concealed-carry laws unleash the deadliest of all social ills - irrational fear and the opportunists who peddle it.

I have some bad news for anyone who thinks carrying a loaded shooter is a guarantee of keeping yourself in one piece. You've been watching too much television.

Ask anyone in the business of self-defense, and he or she will tell you the simple premise for keeping yourself alive. It's this: You have a much better chance of success in a bad situation with a basic knowledge of hand-to-hand combat training and no gun than you would with a gun and no training. This is completely counter, of course, to what concealed-carry fear-peddlers have successfully argued.

Yes, bad things sometimes happen. If you've never had your breath choked off, you should know you will freak in about 1,000 unexpected ways, and I'm telling you right now that shiny .45 in your purse or glove box might as well be a rock.

Whatever it is you've been led to believe about street crime, I assure you these criminals do not announce their intent from 50 yards away. You'll never get to release the safety - a tragic reality learned the hard way by too many concealed-carriers. I pray for everyone on both sides of that gun if the worst happens.

Perceptions about crime continue to lag behind what crime experts have long figured out about our society. Simply put, criminals pretty much jack other criminals, usually over drugs, and violent crimes against innocent people have been dropping for more than a decade. But not for the concealed-carry knee-knockers, for whom life is a perpetual state of siege.

To concealed-carriers, it's us vs. them, even if they can't tell you who "they" are. Well, I can tell you. In too many circumstances it's anyone who looks similar to me or anyone with a heritage not from the European continent.

I'm not expecting understanding here. I'm just telling you that, from my point of view, the likelihood of me taking one in the forehead from some freaked-out homemaker in a parking garage is a lot bigger than yours.

Oh, and did I mention that concealed-carriers who make a "boo-boo" usually walk?

I recently caught Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine," a movie that set me straight back in my seat, mainly because of his dead-on take on race-based fear and how it colors, if you will, the nation's gun ownership lust. He got it exactly right. It's brilliant.

In yet another interesting wrinkle, gun industry watchers now report that seniors are more likely than any other age group to carry a weapon. In Arizona, statistics show more than 31,000 concealed-carriers between the ages of 50 and 69.

In Tucson, Desert Trails Gun Club owner Richard Batory says older people are "tired of being picked on by savages." Oh, how lovely. Never mind that crime on seniors has steadily dropped to low single-digits during the past 20 years.

People in some towns have given up. They have allowed concealed-carry advocates and their outrageous cousins who press for "must carry" laws to have their way. They've allowed a minority of people who have lost their sense of proportion to gain the political upper hand.

But they've profoundly missed the bigger point: Once fear takes root that deeply in your community, the bad guys have already won.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2a; bang; banglist; ccw; fear; hoplophobia; irrational; outtolunch; rkba; whinysnivlinpoobutt
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"You have a much better chance of success in a bad situation with a basic knowledge of hand-to-hand combat training and no gun than you would with a gun and no training. This is completely counter, of course, to what concealed-carry fear-peddlers have successfully argued."
The author has this exactly bass akwards. Training is highly recomended.
1 posted on 01/17/2004 6:09:53 AM PST by TERMINATTOR
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To: *bang_list
I have to go work and earn some money for Bush to spend on illegals, gun control, and more socialism, so I can't respond to this BS right now.

I'm sure others will though :-)

2 posted on 01/17/2004 6:13:52 AM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: TERMINATTOR

3 posted on 01/17/2004 6:15:57 AM PST by aomagrat (IYAOYAS)
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To: TERMINATTOR
This supposed conservative doesn't sound like much of a conservative. I guess if he's ever in harms way he better hope that the police are able to make it in time. And hopefully they won't have guns, because police officers mistakenly shoot innocents quite often...
4 posted on 01/17/2004 6:16:04 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: TERMINATTOR
You can call, e-mail and scream all you want, but in every single concealed-carry community in this country, it's happened.

Proof, please.

5 posted on 01/17/2004 6:17:47 AM PST by dirtboy (Howard Dean - all bike and no path)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
This supposed conservative doesn't sound like much of a conservative.

Especially when he writes a paragraph such as this:

I recently caught Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine," a movie that set me straight back in my seat, mainly because of his dead-on take on race-based fear and how it colors, if you will, the nation's gun ownership lust. He got it exactly right. It's brilliant.

6 posted on 01/17/2004 6:19:00 AM PST by dirtboy (Howard Dean - all bike and no path)
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To: TERMINATTOR
All I own (so far) is a BB gun. But anti-gun nuts are edging me ever closer to starting a collection.

The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it away. Tom J.??

7 posted on 01/17/2004 6:22:08 AM PST by FixitGuy
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To: TERMINATTOR


Once fear takes root that deeply in your community, the bad guys have already won.

Stamp out fear, stay armed!

8 posted on 01/17/2004 6:22:20 AM PST by risk
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"...as a member of the conservative persuasion,...I recently caught Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine,"... He got it exactly right. It's brilliant."

He's not a very persuasive "member of the conservative persuasion."

9 posted on 01/17/2004 6:22:21 AM PST by Palmetto
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Dear Mr. Grant. An armed society is a polite society. Q.E.D.
10 posted on 01/17/2004 6:22:54 AM PST by sauropod (Graduate, Boortz Institute for Insensitivity Training)
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To: TERMINATTOR
This guy is wrong. Getting a concealed carry permit means you have *had* training. My husband has a CC permit & he said after the training he is much LESS likely to shoot someone.
11 posted on 01/17/2004 6:23:39 AM PST by Ditter
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To: TERMINATTOR
My there's so much here...

You'll never get to release the safety ...

So carry a revolver. Or a Glock.

that shiny .45 in your purse or glove box might as well be a rock

Yep.

That's why they make holsters.

12 posted on 01/17/2004 6:24:34 AM PST by Palmetto
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To: TERMINATTOR
Give me a Break......THis guy needs to move to England.
13 posted on 01/17/2004 6:24:43 AM PST by .45MAN (I don't know, What I don't know)
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To: TERMINATTOR
This guy is terrible.

You have a much better chance of success in a bad situation with a basic knowledge of hand-to-hand combat training and no gun than you would with a gun and no training. This is completely counter, of course, to what concealed-carry fear-peddlers have successfully argued.

I suppose we should practice our hand-to-hand combat on your strawman, Mr. Grant?

14 posted on 01/17/2004 6:26:24 AM PST by Palmetto
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To: TERMINATTOR
In yet another interesting wrinkle, gun industry watchers now report that seniors are more likely than any other age group to carry a weapon....Never mind that crime on seniors has steadily dropped to low single-digits during the past 20 years.

Hmmmmmm....seniors start carrying guns and crimes against them drop dramatically. This dipsh!t isn't much for critical thinking, is he?

15 posted on 01/17/2004 6:27:34 AM PST by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: TERMINATTOR
All I see here is a lot of chest-beating from a guy who thinks he's tougher and braver than everyone else. I suspect that attitude would evaporate in about three seconds were he to be confronted by a real criminal intent on doing him real violence.

I have a fire extinguisher in my house. I guess that means my "fear" of fire is out in the open.

16 posted on 01/17/2004 6:28:43 AM PST by RogueIsland
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To: TERMINATTOR
This guy is full of it.

"Ask anyone in the business of self-defense, and he or she will tell you the simple premise for keeping yourself alive. It's this: You have a much better chance of success in a bad situation with a basic knowledge of hand-to-hand combat training and no gun than you would with a gun and no training. " I took two years of near daily hand to hand training in SF. And you know what? Then I weighed 170, body build, weight, and attitude ruled, just like boxing. You get a 260 guy, with no neck, moving like a NFL pulling guard...and you have really big problems. Like unconsciousness. Bad things can happen when you are unconsciousness.

As to the "basic knowledge" bit. I have to laugh. You are just asking to leave your teeth on some bar floor or parking lot. This guy has never taken a beating, nor spoken to anyone who has. There are little guys who are monsters, and big guys who, this side of splitting maul, you're not going to generate the energy to do anything but get them mad.

This guy is the classic example of bringing unarmed whits to a gunfight.

Get a gun, most any will do. Avoid situations like the plague, but for most people, the scum come hunting, and Mr. and Mrs. reagular people, with their plain mini-van and ranch house with no-wash vinal siding......they, and their children are the prey.

17 posted on 01/17/2004 6:29:33 AM PST by Leisler (First it was the WOD, I said nothing. Then the WOS. Now, it is the WOF, and who will protect me?)
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To: dirtboy
Yes, perhaps when he says he is conservative, he means he is a conservative socialist?
18 posted on 01/17/2004 6:32:15 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Idiots will be. And will be published as well.

I have a good bit of training in hand-to-hand, edged weapons, and firearms.

All other things being equal a 400lb crack-brained mugger will beat the hell out of an unarmed 120lb black belt while taking the money.

Handguns are the first best defense against criminals.

19 posted on 01/17/2004 6:32:31 AM PST by LibKill ("Two crossed, dead, Frenchmen emblazoned on a mound of dead Frenchmen.")
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To: TERMINATTOR

Gene Grant

genegnm@yahoo.com

20 posted on 01/17/2004 6:33:02 AM PST by csvset
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