France takes on plague of sexual 'rite'

NYTimes ^ | 1/17/04 | Elaine Sciolino

[independentmind]

The neighborhood butcher, from Algeria, spoke as if the suburb was a world apart. "If a girl goes out, she's going to get into trouble, especially with Arabs and blacks, because they are not used to seeing girls outside," he said. "The boys have needs. Where I come from, it's not normal that a girl goes out at night. If I tell my sister not to go out, she obeys me. This world is not like France."

We are going backwards, folks.

[Lazamataz]

On 15 August, 2002, Justice Michael Finnane sentenced Bilal Skaf to 55 years in gaol with 40 years non-parole. These are Justice Finnane's sentencing remarks:..."What this trial showed was that he was the leader of the pack, a liar, a bully, a coward, callous and mean. He is, in truth, a menace to any civilised society.....The offender's head sentence then will conclude on 11 February, 2056 and his non-parole period will conclude on 11 February, 2040. At that stage he will have been in custody for forty years. Hopefully he will no longer be a menace to society. The offender may be removed."

WAAAYYYYYYY too lenient.

[hellinahandcart]

Yep, I'd say we're devolving rapidly.

[AAABEST]

Until Mecca becomes a smoking crater.

Let's start with this hulking ugly POS and work our way out.

[FITZ]

cheap housing for immigrants on the outskirts of France's big cities.

Yes ---- this is the code word for Muslims.

[FITZ]

As the world's cultures become coarser and more permissive

This culture isn't becoming coarser and more permissive --- it's been that way since the days of Mohammed --- he raped the widows of the men he murdered. He had a 6 year old girl as one of his "wives" when he was in his 50's.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Traditional upbringing á la Islam.

Not traditional in the sense you mean. See reply # 7.

[cajungirl]

You Australians are pretty good! I love the judge's remarks. But hey, why do yall have so many socialists?

[cajungirl]

I dont know if you can generalize. This is the Muslim culture in the French culture,,the combo seems to be awful.

[KSCITYBOY]

bump

[agrace]

Many of the boys are raised in closed, traditional families...

Dontcha mean muslim ones?

[Penny]

Your points are well-taken--I was generalizing in a sense, I admit. Last week, two middle school students in the Dallas area were temporarily suspended for forcing a 13-year-old girl in a school locker room into a corner where they attempted rape.

I am still searching for the eventual punishment of the boys as well as major headlines about the incident. Such incidents I have described are not the first in the Dallas area, and, although I realize the hundred or so "root causes" of such behavior, our permissive and coarse cultures find more subdued voices of tolerance of outrageous, evil behavior instead of outraged voices. My first reply was not well-expressed.

Regards, Penny

[dennisw]

I don't see why not. Being that the Temple Mount is the center of Jerusalem and Jerusalem is the center of the world.

[Travis McGee]

Koranimals!

Excellent, is that your coinage? Right up their with "Mein Koran = Mein Kampf."

[FITZ]

I guess multiculturalism makes us more tolerant of behaviors that once would have been unacceptable. When you mix a culture that believes women are nothing more than property with one that believes all cultures are equal --- this is the kind of thing you'll get.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

...but hey, why do yall have so many socialists?...

because we have so many people who have grown up free of want, hunger, and fear, but do not appreciate the sacrifice of those who gave them those freedoms. Because they don't have the courage or character to emulate their betters, they prefer to rewrite the accomplishment rulebook on their own terms. Sure, they might be lousy businessmen, husbands, wives, fathers, girlfriends, you name it, but they hold a set of views which in their peer group makes them someone of value. Cheers, By

[Byron_the_Aussie]

Hey Penny, great to see you back on FR!

[xm177e2]

That was three years ago. Late last month, 10 young men, now ranging in age from 18 to 21, were convicted of rape in a closed courtroom in nearby Evry and sentenced to prison terms ranging from three to five years.

Three to five years? And then what? You'll have tough, ex-convict prison survivors with no morals at all, ready to prey on more people. Short prison terms are not a viable solution to this problem. France is in deep, deep denial, and deep, deep s---. The whole country is going straight to hell. Anyone who can get out, should.

[Penny]

You are kind to notice, for I don't visit FR as much as I'd like to much less post replies . . . But my new year's resolution is to put more of my personal woes behind and become more involved in the political musings on FR . . . I know you've stayed busy here (good for you). I'm champing at the bit for the Australian Open soon hitting your stadiums and looking for the likes of Hewitt and Agassi and Clysters et al. to entertain us . . . Do stay well, good man!

Wishing you all the best,
Penny

[Gritty]

France is in deep, deep denial, and deep, deep s---. The whole country is going straight to hell. Anyone who can get out, should

The same thing was said 25 years ago in South Africa.

People laughed then, too, and Afrikaaners are a lot tougher than French.