[F16Fighter]

"This is more than just a 'single issue' we're talking about. Bush's horrible is pure madness and pandering -- pure and simple. This is a national security issue, not a side issue."

For some reason, citing President Bush's illegal immigration plan as "madness and pandering" is shouted down and discounted as mere demogoguery -- regardless of the serious negative ramifications. Then there is the deflection and changing the subject. Isn't this the SAME technique Lanny Davis and Paul Begala used for years for defending the indefensible?

Those who are affected by blind loyalty -- in BOTH Parties -- are almost impossible to reason with.

[Texasforever]

For some reason, citing President Bush's illegal immigration plan as "madness and pandering" is shouted down and discounted as mere demogoguery

Heat, kitchen ,out. You want a soapbox without question time. You don't like it when all of those you think are "Bush-bots" won't bow to your “more conservative than thou” self-righteous rants. You can’t believe that no one is begging you to return to the fold and it is making your head explode. Here is a hint for you that you supplied yourself. The reason you are being shouted down is that you are completely outnumbered. You, just as in the real world, do not have the numbers to make a difference so you have to glom on to organizations that do just to be heard. Get it?

[jim35]

"...Those who are affected by blind loyalty -- in BOTH Parties -- are almost impossible to reason with..."

It shouldn't surprise you that I feel the same way about you Bush-bashing liberal enablers. Your hatred is so palpable, it goes beyond reason. Someone even posted about what a liar GW is, based on the "16 words." Talk about a BARF ALERT! And my loyalty is not blind, it is quite reasoned, and sincere. I love GW, even if he's not perfect. He's still pretty damned good. And, unlike you MoveOn.Org enablers, I can like some things, and dislike others, while seeing the balance as very much in the good.