Libya's black market deals shock nuclear inspectors

Uk Guardian ^ | Jan. 17, 2004 | Ian Traynor

[FairOpinion]

Considering the above: the relative ease with which Libya was acquiring not just a few, but 1000 full centrifuges to enrich uranium -- can anyone believe that Saddam wasn't doing the same thing, namely acquiring WMD?

[TheDon]

With the active help of Libya, we will learn a great deal about the secret under world of WMD production in dictatorships. What methods they use, how they get the equipment and raw materials. And the other nations involved. This is another reason why this is the preferred route to turning dictatorships away from WMDs.

I imagine the Israelis are quite interested in what Libya was upto, as they and the US were probably the primary targets of Libyan atomic weapons. What is scary is that Libya may have come clean now, because they know someone else is going to attack Israel or the US with atomic weapons and don't want any suspicion of involvement to fall on them.

[Squantos]

Ping ..............:o)

Nahhhh I ain't scared !.......Stay Safe !

[Righty1]

Let us hope that we also get to see how our "allies" the Russians, frogs, huns, and Pakis are involved. I also wonder about the Israeli mob and their South African buddies?

[FairOpinion]

Seems like Khadaffi is smarter than Chirac and Schroeder, who must really be sweating, right about now.

I bet the trail will lead back to them and the Russians and the various ex-Soviet Republics.

I also willing to bet, that Libya also knows about who else was buying the stuff -- Iraq, Al Qaeda, Iran and who else.

I read somewhere, to my surprise that even Egypt has some WMD.

[JasonC]

"made-to-order" in Malaysia

Ranting Mahathir anyone?

[Angelus Errare]

Egypt has chemical weapons supplied by the Soviet Bloc during the 1970s. Saif al-Adel, al-Qaeda's current military commander, is a former Soviet-trained colonel of the Egyptian Special Forces.

[FairOpinion]

A related article -- I bet they found some things in those other interdictions, or they wouldn't be keeping them a secret.

Anti-WMD interdictions reach three
From correspondents in Washington
January 16, 2004

AT least three interdictions have been conducted as part of an international effort to track and intercept suspected shipments of materials related to weapons of mass destruction (WMD), a senior US defence official said today.

The best known was the interception in October of a German freighter carrying centrifuge parts to Libya, a success that some US officials believe helped persuade Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi to renounce his country's clandestine nuclear program.

But the official said there have been at least two other interdictions under the Proliferation Security Initiative, an 11 country effort to stop the trafficking of WMD materials.

The official said he did not believe the other interdictions yielded WMD technologies, but said those operations have been shrouded in secrecy.

"PSI has conducted interdictions," said a second senior US defence official, declining to say how many there have been beyond the Libyan interception, which was publicly acknowledged by the State Department December 31.



http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8405065%255E1702,00.html

[Angelus Errare]

One of the complications behind US efforts in particular with regard to nuclear proliferation is that in many cases our ally of Pakistan (or rather, the trifecta of rogue ISI, crazy nuclear scientists, and the MMA) has been behind them in some fashion or another, at least with regard to Libya, who allegedly purchased a great deal of Pakistani nuclear technology on the open market. Iran has also exploited the Indo-Pakistani rivalry as a means to acquire nuclear technology from both sides, as well as what they receive from North Korea as part of their unofficial anti-Western alliance.

So if it's from Pakistan, the US is likely keeping it quiet in order to take some heat off Musharraf. If it came from North Korea, we're keeping quiet because either 1) we don't want Kim to know that we are intercepting his WMD shipments or 2) we don't want to stir the Korean Peninsula until we've had time enough to shift the necessary troops to the region.

[rface]

United Nations nuclear inspectors shock too easily

[FairOpinion]

It's a very complex situation and "game" indeed.

[elli1]

Puzzle pieces are starting to come together. Libya got caught red-handed & moramar decided he didn't want to be an oil spot in the sand. Object Lesson Iraq sure has sharpened GW's diplomatic skills.

[FairOpinion]

There is nothing like that picture of raggedy Saddam in the rathole for diplomatic purposes. ;)

One may call it an object lesson to other terrorist supporting dictators.

Now we have two object lessons. Terrorist supporting dictators have a choice: do they want to end up like Saddam, or do they want to be smart and end up like Kadaffi.

Powell made that point to Syria.


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US urges Syria to follow in Libya’s footsteps

LONDON: US Secretary of State Colin Powell urged Syrian President Bashar al-Assad on Friday to follow in Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi footsteps and abandon banned weapons programmes to forge better ties with the West.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_17-1-2004_pg4_1

[VOA]

WARNING: Censored Adult-Content Rant follows.
Send the kids away from the computer...
I apologize to the forum for my rant...but it's engendered by the thought
that the b@$tards who wouldn't lift a finger to help the Coalition Of The Willing
to bring Saddam and his Baathists to heel are now trying to OBSTRUCT
the process of cleaning up the sewers of international (even nuclear) terrorism.

The ease with which the complex bomb-making equipment was acquired has stunned
experienced NAIVE, PhD-Degreed. DUBYA-HATING, FRANCOPHILIC,
WEASELY, DEANIAC international inspectors.

Senior US and British officials are due in Vienna on Monday to negotiate with
Dr El Baradei over how to proceed in Tripoli.

"You can't expect the people who caused the problem to be the ones to fix it."
--aphorism attributed (probably apocryphally) to Albert Einstein

Dear Dubya and Blair...just tell these F---ING BLIND "international inspectors"
to "GET THE F--- OUT OF THE WAY".

Because they surely don't know how to lead or follow when it comes to making the
world or safer place.
Especially when it comes to regulating THUGS that the inspectors probably have over
to their villas for lunch.

[elli1]

I'm not very optimistic about the prospect of Syria getting smart. Unfortunately.

[FairOpinion]

I agree with everything you say, but it's actually worse.

El Baradei and other UN inspectors are KNOWINGLY helping the terrorist supporting dictators to hide WMD.

Washington Targets Chirac and ElBaradai
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=484


The Americans are sitting tight on the extremely valuable Iraqi intelligence archives discovered at Iraqi intelligence headquarters in Baghdad and at sub-departments of Saddam’s clandestine machine never before known to exist.

From this treasure trove, America has distributed to its war allies some materials relevant to their national security. But no decision has been taken as to the disposition of documents attesting to the clandestine ties of collaboration maintained with the Saddam regime by a whole range of foreign government and public office-holders, academics, media figures, financiers and industrialists the world over, many deeply involved in sanctions-busting. By and large, Washington is not inclined to bare these secrets or make use of them at the moment, except in some notable cases. One is French president Jacques Chirac; another is the head of the International Atomic Energy Commission in Vienna, Dr. Mohammed ElBaradai, who led the nuclear weapons inspection in Iraq before the war.

As for Dr. ElBaradai, our sources report that, even before the Iraqi archives were examined, Washington had compiled a dossier on the chief nuclear inspector from discoveries made in the course of crises over the North Korean and Iranian nuclear weapons programs.

In the meantime, US officials believe they have sufficient grounds for demanding Dr. ElBaradai’s removal

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Apparently we decided to do nothing about El Baradei, at least not publicly.

[pepsionice]

Nuclear inspectors are a bunch of Harvard science majors, who drank wine from real crystal, who drive BMWs or Mercedes usually, who vacation in France, who have never used a power drill in their life, who have never repaired their own toilet ever, and who read only the New York Times. These are people that you simply could not appoint to run a major US company or a federal agency. And the sad thing is....we are depending on them to inspect nuclear facilities correctly.

[FairOpinion]

In a way, I almost hope Syria doesn't see the light.

I think it would be nice to occuply it and dig up Saddam's WMD they are hiding.

[elli1]

It would be nice to turn it into glass but that's in my dreams.

[kingu]

It would be refreshing if that every company that was involved in some way with the sales of these supplies would be banned from doing any business with any company or individual in the United States for a period of one year. Or if they are in the United States that they would be forbidden from doing any international business for one year.

I don't care if they knew what they were doing or not - a year sitting on the side lines will end these backroom sales for good.