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Opponents Believe They Can Stop Immigration Plan
HUMAN EVENTS ^ | Jan 16, 2004 | Joseph A. D'Agostino

Posted on 01/16/2004 4:00:38 PM PST by Federalist 78

Immigration reform advocates predict that President Bush's immigration plan will not succeed in Congress this year. "It's not going anywhere," said Rep. Tom Tancredo (R.-Colo.), chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus.

Although some Republican leaders have made vague statements of support for the plan, conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats, together with pro-immigration groups, have all attacked the plan, the latter because it does not ensure a path to citizenship for illegal aliens and new foreign workers.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Sensenbrenner (R.-Wis.) and House Immigration Subcommittee Chairman John Hostettler (R.-Ind.) are immigration hawks who have remained noticeably silent on Bush's plan. Powerful House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R.-Tex.) has expressed skepticism.

"We expect that the plan would have to go through Sensenbrenner's committee," said a House Republican aide. "He has consistently opposed amnesties in the past."

Bush's plan would legalize illegal aliens living in this country who have jobs now and allow employers to import foreign workers on renewable three-year visas if they cannot find Americans to take the jobs they offered.

"The unreality of the whole thing leads me to conclude that this is nothing but a political gesture," said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS). "It's an amnesty no matter what the White House tries to say about it. The Republican Party has been moving toward a Saudi Arabian-style immigration policy in which people come to work here for many, many years but never become citizens."

Rosemary Jenks, director of government relations for the immigration reform group Numbers USA, said that millions of guest workers brought to this country under the plan would have to be given citizenship eventually. "These workers will largely be poor, low-skilled," she said. "They will vote for the party with the most handouts. This plan will kill the Republican Party."

She said the plan is unlikely to pass this year. "Unemployment is still high," she said. Next year, she said, "could be different."

The idea of requiring employers to make a serious attempt to hire Americans first would be "a polite fiction," said Krikorian. For example, he said, "someone will advertise for experienced stonemasons at $6.75 an hour, and no American with those skills will take that. So the employer will say he has to import a bunch of people from Bangladesh." "We tried a guest worker program before, the bracero program in the '40s," he said. "It didn't work well. . . . Like Bush's plan, it provided a financial incentive for them to return to Mexico by garnishing some of their wages, but they never got that money. Either they stayed here, forgot to ask for it, or the Mexican banks stole it. There are still lawsuits going on about it now, 50 years later."


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Liberal Democracy vs. Transnational Progressivism: The Future of the Ideological Civil War Within the West.

The Key Concepts of Transnational Progressivism


1 posted on 01/16/2004 4:00:38 PM PST by Federalist 78
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To: Federalist 78
Let's pull a PaleoCrackPot and vote Constitution Party so we can have Democrats in power - and then we'll REALLY have border control thanks to President Dean!

Sincerely,

Sam Francis
2 posted on 01/16/2004 4:04:40 PM PST by Pubbie (* Bill Owens 2008 *)
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To: Pubbie
Bush Immigration Plan a Bad Idea - David Limbaugh
The fact that even Bush's supporters aren't sure why he's doing this or how he can justify it is all the proof we need that it is wrongheaded. It's a muddled plan, with dubious goals and inevitably negative consequences -- which doesn't bode well for the president's image as a decisive leader with moral clarity.
Beyond undermining the rule of law, this plan devalues the uniqueness of American citizenship by trivializing the laws aimed at making it selective and a special privilege. It sends a message that illegal immigration is a trifling matter.

3 posted on 01/16/2004 4:06:30 PM PST by Federalist 78
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To: Federalist 78
Immigration reform advocates predict that President Bush's immigration plan will not succeed in Congress this year.

Hb

4 posted on 01/16/2004 4:07:07 PM PST by Hoverbug
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To: Federalist 78
Awesome links.

It does seem the pro-amnesty lobby is yet another part of that multi-headed Hydra of socialist-multiculturalist-leftist opponents of American power, ideals and culture.
Thus "Liberal Democracy vs. Transnational Progressivism" is a good way to phrase the divide.

The attacks on the system of citizenship and sovereignty is a way of undermining the system of Govt that we have and which worked for 200 years.
5 posted on 01/16/2004 4:08:38 PM PST by WOSG (I don't want the GOP to become a circular firing squad and the Socialist Democrats a majority.)
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To: Sabertooth; Missouri; ETERNAL WARMING; Happy2BMe; TomGuy
*** I TOLD YOU SO ***
6 posted on 01/16/2004 4:09:49 PM PST by Pubbie (* Bill Owens 2008 *)
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To: WOSG

The attacks on the system of citizenship and sovereignty is a way of undermining the system of Govt that we have and which worked for 200 years.

It appears that congress is the only branch that can be counted on to resist it. And even that branch is weakening.

In Federalist #51, James Madison stated, "But it is not possible to give to each department an equal power of self-defense. In republican government, the legislative authority necessarily predominates."

7 posted on 01/16/2004 4:15:16 PM PST by Federalist 78
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To: Federalist 78
Keep up the good work, Fed.
8 posted on 01/16/2004 4:17:35 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Pubbie
You're in Connecticut, Sam?

39,000 illegal aliens resided in Connecticut as of 2000, according to INS figures. This is 34 percent higher than the previous INS estimate in 1996 and 105 percent higher than the estimate for 1990.16 Connecticut authorities requested $7.9 million in compensation from the federal government in FY’99 for the incarceration of illegal aliens in state and local jails and prisons, but it received only $3 million, leaving $4.9 million in uncompensated costs to be borne by Connecticut taxpayers.

9 posted on 01/16/2004 4:19:06 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Pubbie
Let's pull a PaleoCrackPot and vote Constitution Party so we can have Democrats in power - and then we'll REALLY have border control thanks to President Dean!

I don't know if Sam Francis or anyone is suggesting that but I agree with you it would not be smart.

On the other hand, as Repbulicans we should seek to reform our own party from within which means opposing proposals like this.

The Republicans will continue with Tricky Dick's advice of "run to the right and govern to the left" unless this is corrected from within.
What doesn't help is when dissent is raised, those raising the dissent are labled as crackpots or racists (unless of course they are).

How about this:

Tell me why I am wrong.

Give me reasons, facts, opinions, something other than epithets and I will take you more seriously than I do now.

10 posted on 01/16/2004 4:20:07 PM PST by AreaMan (Compassionate Conservatism: The offical lubricant of the 2004 election.)
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Plan For Immigration Reform Dismays Many Conservatives
"As we speak, our borders are being inundated with people who think they might get an amnesty," said Rep. Tom Tancredo (R.-Colo.), chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus. Tancredo predicted the plan would not pass the House and contested the President's suggestion that America's current immigration laws are the cause of the immigration crisis. "Mr. President," he said, "the executive branch has chosen not to enforce the law."
"For whatever reason, the federal government hasn't enforced the laws on the books," said Rep. J. D. Hayworth (R.-Ariz.).

11 posted on 01/16/2004 4:22:07 PM PST by Federalist 78
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To: Pubbie
Welcome to the Constitution Party National Internet Headquarters
Immigration
We affirm the integrity of the international borders of the United States and the Constitutional authority and right of the federal government to guard and to protect those borders, including the regulation of the numbers and of the qualifications of immigrants into the country.
Each year some 972,000 legal immigrants and hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens enter the United States. These immigrants — including illegal aliens — have been made eligible for various kinds of public assistance, including housing, education, Social Security, and legal services. This unconstitutional drain on the federal Treasury is having a severe and adverse impact on our economy, increasing the cost of government at federal, state, and local levels, adding to the tax burden, and stressing the fabric of society. The mass importation of people with low standards of living threatens the wage structure of the American worker and the labor balance in our country.
We favor a moratorium on immigration to the United States, except in individual hardship cases or in other individual special circumstances, until the availability of all federal subsidies and assistance be discontinued.
We also insist that every individual group and/or private agency which requests the admission of an immigrant to the U.S., on whatever basis, be required to commit legally to provide housing and sustenance for such immigrants, bear full responsibility for the economic independence of the immigrants, and post appropriate bonds to seal such covenants.
The Constitution Party demands that the federal government restore immigration policies based on the practice that potential immigrants will be disqualified from admission to the U.S. if, on the grounds of health, criminality, morals, or financial dependence, they would impose an improper burden on the United States, any state, or any citizen of the United States.
We oppose the provision of welfare subsidies and other taxpayer-supported benefits to illegal aliens, and reject the practice of bestowing U.S. citizenship on children born to illegal alien parents while in this country.
We oppose any extension of amnesty to illegal aliens. We oppose bilingual ballots. We insist that those who wish to take part in the electoral process and governance of this nation be required to read and comprehend basic English as a precondition of citizenship. We support English as the official language for all governmental business by the United States.

12 posted on 01/16/2004 4:25:24 PM PST by Federalist 78
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To: AreaMan
"On the other hand, as Repbulicans we should seek to reform our own party from within which means opposing proposals like this."

That was my whole point.

We need to work WITHIN the party to prevent this proposal rather than leaving it entirely and thus having 0% influence like the Paleos do right now.
13 posted on 01/16/2004 4:25:28 PM PST by Pubbie (* Bill Owens 2008 *)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
See my post at #13
14 posted on 01/16/2004 4:26:07 PM PST by Pubbie (* Bill Owens 2008 *)
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To: Pubbie

We need to work WITHIN the party

WHERE IS YOUR 'WORK' TO REMOVE BUSH!

15 posted on 01/16/2004 4:27:00 PM PST by Federalist 78
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To: Pubbie
Lately, it seems that we get 0% influence either way.
16 posted on 01/16/2004 4:28:38 PM PST by B Knotts (Go 'Nucks!)
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To: Federalist 78; FairOpinion
The Constitution party is NOT able of winning so it's not even worth discussing them.

Like it or not the GOP is the only party with the potential to (Eventually) get Immigration under control.
17 posted on 01/16/2004 4:28:48 PM PST by Pubbie (* Bill Owens 2008 *)
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To: Pubbie
LOL!
18 posted on 01/16/2004 4:29:16 PM PST by Howlin
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..
ping
19 posted on 01/16/2004 4:29:51 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: B Knotts
What are you talking about?! - Didn't you read the article?

Tancredo himself said the plan is "Going nowhere".
20 posted on 01/16/2004 4:30:24 PM PST by Pubbie (* Bill Owens 2008 *)
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