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Electrolux to close plant in Greenville
WoodTV ^ | 01/16/2004

Posted on 01/16/2004 5:35:50 AM PST by RockChucker

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To: Ciexyz
Are the high tech people, teachers, doctors and lawyers the only ones that are allowed to make a comfortable wage?

Anyone, anyone, is allowed to make a "comfortable wage who will learn the knowledge and/or skills required to perform a task for which someone is willing to pay a comfortable wage.

No one, no one, is entitled to a "comfortable wage" regardless of what they do to earn it.

Once you mandate that everyone must earn a "comfortable wage" you damage the delicate tradeoffs that work so well together to make an economy work.

As has been posted before, industries didn't just one day decide to pick up and leave the U.S. I'm sure that many which are leaving would rather stay if they could afford it. But economies are little chaotic systems that we do not fully understand and can not fully control. Tinkering is very dangerous.

Shalom.

121 posted on 01/16/2004 1:12:27 PM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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To: CSM
You don't see a reduction in price, because while they are able to find a more efficient labor resource, the othe costs in the price are increasing.

Additionally, most products have a "sweet spot" price. More than that and you must show some premium value to go along with the premium price. Less than that and it will be presumed that your product is junk and people won't look seriously at it. I was a landlord for a short time. I kept my rent low to try to attract renters quickly since I was not interested in maintaining an empty property. It was nearly impossible to find good renters. A real estate agent told me that the renters wouldn't look at my property because they would assume it was a dump. I raised my rent to the market price and filled the unit within 2 days.

The Electrolux may not go down in price, but it will add features that consumers are demanding that Electrolux can't afford to put in now.

Shalom.

122 posted on 01/16/2004 1:16:03 PM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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To: looscnnn
How much is minimum wage again?

That's that stupid law they wrote to reduce the number of starting jobs, reduce the number of businesses working in the U.S., and curry favor with the liberals.

Retrain the to do what? There are only a limited number of service related jobs that can be created

There are active sectors here in the U.S., with new ones being created on a regular basis as people think up new ideas.

You don't need a wide open field, you just need to be better than others.

No guarantees in a free system, but if you will work, you can work.

Shalom.

123 posted on 01/16/2004 1:26:04 PM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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To: CSM
I believe that these things can be produced domesticly and still be affordable. A company that does their homework could do it here in the US, granted workers won't make $25/hr, but it could be better than minimum wage.

Sorry about the depreciation & property tax part, it's been a long day.

Tennessee & Iowa have no property taxes on business equipment. I can't find the article I read with property taxes for each state.
124 posted on 01/16/2004 1:32:33 PM PST by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: ArGee
"That's that stupid law they wrote to reduce the number of starting jobs, reduce the number of businesses working in the U.S., and curry favor with the liberals."

I agree, but aren't companies required to pay that amount unless the job is waitress, bartender, etc. where there is the possiblility of tips?

"There are active sectors here in the U.S., with new ones being created on a regular basis as people think up new ideas."

Again, retrain to do what? Programing jobs are going to India, we have H1 & L1 visa workers coming into the country to fill "unfilled" IT jobs, we have illegals (that should not be here) working jobs that could go to unemployed to keep them off the dole, and so on. You can only train so many people to fill so many jobs.

Example, I have an MCSE, a certification in the IT field, that used to open many doors that paid well. Now there are so many people that are flooding the IT field with MCSEs that it had diluted its importance. A lot of people are now working jobs that do not have anything to do with an MCSE, let alone the IT field.

How about taking care of the citizens first, before offering jobs to foreigners. Is that so hard to do?
125 posted on 01/16/2004 1:44:26 PM PST by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: looscnnn
I agree, but aren't companies required to pay that amount unless the job is waitress, bartender, etc. where there is the possiblility of tips?

Yes. The $4/hr worker was in Mexico. The $4/hr U.S. worker was hypothetical.

Again, retrain to do what?

There is a huge field. I am in IT myself but I have been thinking about a few things. There is a spot near here that is just ripe for a coffee shop. We need a competitor to the local Blockbuster. At the rate houses are going up, I could do a lot if I could just learn how to tape and float wallboard without making it look like garbage. I had a friend who made more money that I did renting earth-moving equipment. I've even thought about converting VHS to DVD for people with a lot of home videos that they never watch but waste space storing.

Risky? Sure. So is standing still and waiting for the job market I'm in to dry up.

How about taking care of the citizens first, before offering jobs to foreigners. Is that so hard to do?

It is when the citizen demands a lot for a little in return, while the foreigner is willing to work harder, longer, and with fewer complaints for less money.

I don't want to live in a hovel any more than the next person, but business don't succeed by being generous. They succeed by being efficient.

Think of it from your own job's perspective. Suppose you had a U.S. worker apply who had read about Active Directory somewhere and wanted $50,000 to start because he has an MCSE. Suppose someone wanting H1B sponsorship applies who can roll an AD implementation in half a day to 500 PCs and is willing to work for $25,000 (and has an MCSE also). Which would you hire. I know if the citizen and the non were reversed the choice would be easy. How long will your organization survive if you let the nationality decide?

Shalom.

126 posted on 01/16/2004 2:27:42 PM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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To: rdb3
Class warfare? Not the least. I hope to be wealthy before I die.
It does seem odd to disdain what you are uninformed about.
Could be just an easy, no thinking required, knee jerk reaction to working people who are union members. Like I said asinine.
Foul tip!
127 posted on 01/16/2004 3:44:27 PM PST by em2vn
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To: ArGee
No one, no one is entitled to a "comfortable wage" regardless of what they do to earn it.

I propose that we cut YOUR salary and while we're at it, let's cut YOUR job. I find that people's attitudes change when the sh** falls down on them personally. Let's say that your corporation has targeted you like a sniper. For whatever reason, they don't need YOU. You are cut. You are out on the street. Now you have to go out and retrain. You have to start over at a low salary and work your way up again. Gee sounds like fun doesn't it. That's what people today are facing in this economy.

128 posted on 01/16/2004 7:26:31 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Ciexyz
I propose that we cut YOUR salary and while we're at it, let's cut YOUR job.

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

NEXT.

Shalom.

129 posted on 01/20/2004 9:13:34 AM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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