Thousands of Pilots Won't Fly Armed, Blame TSA

CRE p[ost 21: Your are clearly correct.

81 posted on 01/16/2004 7:09:29 PM PST by southland

How uneducated of us to expect politicians to follow the Constitution they took an oath to!

How stupid of us to actually expect that they keep their word.

I couldn't agree more! It is idiotic for someone to "expect" politicians to do so!!!

82 posted on 01/19/2004 11:19:02 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)

The thrust of the parts that dealt with actual conrontation with terrorists including kidnappers was 'do nothing' you are not a officially trained 'law enforcement' person (by TSA definition) and don't have sense enogh to do anything useful. Allow yourself to be kidnapped or held hostage because the 'certified terror fighters' will come and rescue you.

Not surprizing; that is the prevailing statist mindset. At best, it has rendered government irrelevant in matters pertaining to the safety of citizens. In worse cases, the statist mindset has caused government to become the actual source of danger to citizens.

83 posted on 01/19/2004 11:31:57 AM PST by meadsjn

To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Even a snake has sense enough not to bite its own tail. Not so with the federal government.

84 posted on 02/01/2004 10:31:38 PM PST by dr_who_2

Joe, I was on a radio show in Tuscon today with the author of this story. He had the first 15 minutes, then I had the next 45. It was on KJLL 1330 in Tucson, the Charles Heller show called "America Armed and Free." This is the station in Tucson that carries Imus, O'reilly and Leikus, fairly big time. Heller does a 2nd amd oriented show for 2 hours every Sunday. Anyway, there I was on the air, right after this guy.

85 posted on 02/01/2004 10:39:00 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)

Have you ever watch that video of a Boeing 707 doing a roll?

It is amazing how much a pilot can do in a deadly situation, if he is willing to take responsibility for his actions.

Click here for an interesting story about what a pilot actually did in such a situation. Of course, he only had Scotland Yard to deal with, not the TSA or the American Trial Lawyers.

86 posted on 02/01/2004 11:07:59 PM PST by cynwoody

To: Travis McGee

Hey, Trav, don't leave us hanging like that -- where's the link for the streaming audio?? I wanna hear it! $;-)

87 posted on 02/02/2004 5:18:27 AM PST by Joe Brower ("Powers once assumed are never relinquished, just as bureaucracies, once created, never die.")

Here it is, but I don't know if it's been put up in the archives yet. It wasn't up right after the show.

http://www.tucsonsjolt.com/audio/index.html

88 posted on 02/02/2004 7:34:25 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)

Here it is, but I don't know if it's been put up in the archives yet. It wasn't up right after the show.

http://www.tucsonsjolt.com/audio/index.html

89 posted on 02/02/2004 7:34:27 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)

PS, I posted a thread on THR, and at least one High Roader heard it! Too bad it's not a national show, it's two hours of guns and freedom, even the ads and PSAs!

90 posted on 02/02/2004 7:36:51 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)

To: Travis McGee

Uh-oh. Better check the disconnector on your keyboard, Trav -- you're doubling! $;-)

91 posted on 02/02/2004 8:10:11 AM PST by Joe Brower ("Powers once assumed are never relinquished, just as bureaucracies, once created, never die.")

To: Freeper john; Travis McGee

That's easy! The second pilot will fly the airplane.

In most commercial passenger aircraft [other than rotary wing] the Captain/ pilot in charge sits in the portside front seat, in the same position as the driver in most US automobiles. This means that if he has to turn to face an intruder entering the cabin from behind him, it will be his right hand that will be closest to the aisle, offering an easier target for a potential attacker coming in from behind.

My preference would be to let him do what he does best, and designate the co-pilot/First Officer as the cockpit resource better suited for repelling boarders, though still under the command and authority of his captain. This also offers him the advantage of having his left arm in a position for defence against edged or impact weapons, while the right can better control a handgun or other weapon with no more difficulty than a simple turn in his seat to face the centre aisle. Aircraft with a flight engineer, now fairly uncommon, a navigator, jumpseating additional crew or other cockpit resources can establish more extensive procedures as the Captain directs. But the simple basics of two aircrew up front in the cabin are probably better handled with the First Officer as the designated hitter.

Every pilot knows that redundancy is desirable however. They both need the ability and mindset to deal with any such problem that develops.

-archy-/-

92 posted on 02/02/2004 10:00:52 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)

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