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Kaloogian runs distant second in GOP Senate race
North County Times (San Diego) ^ | January 14, 2004 | DAVE DOWNEY

Posted on 01/14/2004 11:49:56 PM PST by calcowgirl

Former local lawmaker Howard Kaloogian, who played a leading role in last year's recall of former Gov. Gray Davis, is running second in the race for the GOP nomination for U.S. Senate, according to a poll released today.

But Kaloogian, a San Marcos conservative who formerly served in the state Assembly, is running well behind front-runner and former Secretary of State Bill Jones, who has the support of 17 percent of Republican voters.

Trailing Jones, in order, were Kaloogian (5 percent), former Los Altos Hills Mayor Toni Casey (3 percent) and former Huntington Park Mayor Rosario Marin (2 percent).

However, with 73 percent of party voters undecided, the March 2 primary is up for grabs. The winner gets a shot at liberal Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer in November.

The statewide poll was conducted Jan. 3 through Sunday by the San Francisco-based Public Policy Institute of California, through telephone interviews with 2,002 adults in English and Spanish.

"I am not surprised, but I am very pleased," Kaloogian said. "Rosario Marin and Toni Casey have both been out there spending money, campaigning and beating the bushes for six months, and I'm ahead of them."

For Kaloogian, results come just days after he captured an endorsement from Ron Prince, author of controversial Proposition 187, which sought to eliminate public services for immigrants who were in California illegally. Also this week, Kaloogian criticized President Bush's initiative to grant legal status to the nation's illegal immigrants.

The poll also found that:

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's $15 billion deficit bond is in trouble: 35 percent of voters support Proposition 57, while 44 percent oppose it.

And that is despite Schwarzenegger's flattering 64 percent approval rating.

"Popularity doesn't necessarily translate into influence," said Mark Baldassare, poll director. "Voters have to like the message, not just the messenger. Given the bitter residue of this past year's financial fiasco, they are understandably wary about incurring more debt."

Schwarzenegger's companion Proposition 58 has a better chance of passing. The so-called Balanced Budget Act, which would limit state spending to 97 percent of forecast revenues and set up a state reserve, enjoys 57 percent support, with opposition from just 22 percent of likely voters. However, the initiative is married to Prop. 57 and won't take effect unless the bond passes.

Lacking majority support was Proposition 56, the measure that would lower lawmakers' voting threshold from 66.6 percent (two-thirds) to 55 percent for passing state budgets and raising taxes. Forty-one percent would vote yes and 35 percent would vote no. A quarter of voters were undecided.

However, 73 percent of voters said making two-thirds of state lawmakers agree on a spending plan was a good idea.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: billjones; electionussenate; kallogian; kaloogian; ppic; prop57; prop58; rosariomarin; senate; tonicasey
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If you plan to support Kaloogian, maybe Mr. Downey would like to hear from you!

Contact staff writer Dave Downey at (760) 740-3529 or ddowney@nctimes.com.

1 posted on 01/14/2004 11:49:57 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
Marin is trailing Casey? Didn't expect that.

Lots of undecideds. Go Kaloogian.
2 posted on 01/15/2004 12:11:46 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture (DEAN PEOPLE SUCK)
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To: NormsRevenge; Impeach98
FYI
3 posted on 01/15/2004 12:14:14 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture (DEAN PEOPLE SUCK)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
I don't trust the polls.
Early polls like this are what the media used for the 'Tom can't win' campaign.
Let's hope we can just get objective reporting and let the voters decide.
(I know... I'm a dreamer!)
4 posted on 01/15/2004 12:33:14 AM PST by calcowgirl (No on Propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
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To: calcowgirl
"with 73 percent of party voters undecided"

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That's the largest fraction of undecided voters I have seen in polls ever.

I guess it's still too early.

I would like to see a poll about each R candidate vs. Boxer.

Whoever can beat Boxer has my vote.
5 posted on 01/15/2004 12:37:44 AM PST by FairOpinion
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To: calcowgirl
Understandable. Polls are manipulative and are used to scare off potential donors.
6 posted on 01/15/2004 12:39:38 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture (DEAN PEOPLE SUCK)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Full Survey available at PPIC.org

PPIC Statewide Survey:
Special Survey on California's Fiscal System, January 2004
Mark Baldassare
38 pp.

7 posted on 01/15/2004 2:48:19 AM PST by calcowgirl (No on Propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
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To: calcowgirl
Interesting. People have said Kaloogian has no chance, and he is well behind, but he is still ahead of Rove's pro-death candidate.
9 posted on 01/15/2004 7:12:55 AM PST by B Knotts (Go 'Nucks!)
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To: William Creel
Jones will win, and he IS conservative, though not enough for some purists. Sometimes winning with the 2nd best conservative, is better than losing with the best conservative.

Jones is not nearly as attractive a candidate. I don't think he has what it will take when it comes to defeating Boxer. Kaloogian comes off well in media and IMHO has the stones to take on Boxer in a brawl. Were I you, I would take the opportunity at this early stage to compare the two objectively.

11 posted on 01/15/2004 8:31:10 AM PST by Carry_Okie (If ignorance is strength, we're in a world of hurt.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Bump.. Thanks.

Purists catching heck already .. LOL
12 posted on 01/15/2004 8:39:58 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ...... FoR California Propositions/Initiatives info.. Check Muh Profile.. Developing)
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To: William Creel
I didn't say he wouldn't win or that he wasn't conservative. I'm just saying that the Rove candidate, Rosario Marin, is in last place. And I'm chuckling a bit about it.
13 posted on 01/15/2004 9:15:20 AM PST by B Knotts (Go 'Nucks!)
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To: William Creel
Kaloogian is broke with little name recognition.

He's little known except among the people who do the groundwork of campaigning, where he's a hero. Remember, Kaloogian was instrumental in organizing the recall.

Jones was elected twice, narrowly, as Secretary of State.

And was crushed by a little known Bill Simon in the gubernatorial primary. The grass roots are powerful in this State party, whether Parsky/Sundheim like it or not.

He has been raking in the money and the endorsements.

Money, yes, Party money... just like Riordan did.

I would support Kaloogian if he was in the same position.

We'll see what "position" looks like in a month or two.

I am particularly interested in how Arnold Schwarzenegger, who would not be governor today without Howard Kaloogian, could ignore a man who was instrumental to his opportunity in favor of one who was worthless during the recall signature drive. Further, given Jones support of McCain, it's a slap on the Bush people who put the folks in the State GOP in place who backed Arnolds candidacy. It doesn't seem Arnold puts much stock in the "dance with them that brung ya" loyalty that the Bush people expect.

Finally, given Jones support of that 1991 tax increase, the party base has no love for the man. He'll need every dime of that money because he'll find it hard to assemble a ground game in this State, which is critical to a primary victory.

15 posted on 01/15/2004 9:47:58 AM PST by Carry_Okie (If ignorance is strength, we're in a world of hurt.)
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To: William Creel
But the last time we nominated a person like him in another state, we got burned.

Name names. If every time we took that attitude, there would be no reason for politics. We could just sit on our hands and let the system tell us who will lead. I would suggest you investigate the numbers as put forward by the Leadership Institute, because you don't seem to understand the power of your own opinion.

17 posted on 01/15/2004 10:00:32 AM PST by Carry_Okie (If ignorance is strength, we're in a world of hurt.)
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To: William Creel
Well, I fear Jones may end up like Dan Lungren and we all know how he faired against a man by the name of Gray Davis. Or like how Matt Fong ran against Boxer. Neither result was pretty, especially Lungren's.

Let's see how this race pans out, then unite behind the winner.

18 posted on 01/15/2004 10:03:54 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture (DEAN PEOPLE SUCK)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Matt Fong is a great example that shows this "dont vote too conservative" mindset is self-destructive.

He was still tagged as a right-winger and he lacked the gonads to respond right.

Another point - Bush IMHO WILL WIN CALIFORNIA.

Why not go for the best person, then unite behind the winner for the race in November?


19 posted on 01/15/2004 11:34:19 AM PST by WOSG (I don't want the GOP to become a circular firing squad and the Socialist Democrats a majority.)
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To: calcowgirl
Proposition 58 has a better chance of passing. The so-called Balanced Budget Act, which would limit state spending to 97 percent of forecast revenues and set up a state reserve, enjoys 57 percent support, with opposition from just 22 percent of likely voters. However, the initiative is married to Prop. 57 and won't take effect unless the bond passes.

I didn't know about the underlined part. If it's true that the failure of the bond (Prop 57) would prevent the Trojan horse (Prop 58) from taking effect, then that's great news.

20 posted on 01/15/2004 11:34:52 AM PST by heleny (No on propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
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