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McNabb's amazing career built on proving doubters wrong [Limbaugh]
USA Today ^ | 1/14/04 | Ian O'Connor

Posted on 01/14/2004 9:24:39 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:41:41 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: marshmallow
Doug Flutie???? Over Hyped????? are you Insane? HE got booted out of the NFL, when all he did was win, and had to go redefine the game in Canada to get a second shot in the NFL.

Then He comes back, and the Bills sign that pantywaist Rob Johnson and he gets sent to the bench again....lol

No One has earned it more than Flutie.
81 posted on 01/14/2004 12:14:47 PM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: hobbes1
OK, whatever you say. Jake Delhomme. Hahahahahaha
82 posted on 01/14/2004 12:16:10 PM PST by Duke809
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To: Duke809
Say what you will. He is the Highest rated NFC passer in the playoffs. And he was also Second in attempts behind Favre.


Also JD averaged 10.2 yards per attempt, compared to 6.3 for McDrabb.
83 posted on 01/14/2004 12:22:54 PM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: hobbes1
I forgot this,

No one has earned it more that Flutie

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Flutie. Please. Another LOSER...

84 posted on 01/14/2004 12:23:14 PM PST by Duke809
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To: hobbes1
Ok, I can't play no more, I have to go home.

Bring up stats all you want. The only stat that counts is the W in the win column. Just ask Doug Flutie.

I should apologize I guess, after all he did win a few Grey Cups didn't he. Just like Chuck Fusina winning the USFL championship. Or Tommy Maddox in the XFL

Jake Delhomme, Doug Flutie. I guess next you'll be bringing up Quincy Carter or some amazing Seattle Seahack stat.

85 posted on 01/14/2004 12:29:58 PM PST by Duke809
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To: Duke809
Odd you should see it like that, since him and McDrabb share eerily similar career stats.....(though McDrabb has a slight edge...)VERY SLIGHT.

Dont take my word for it check with the NFL

Flutie ...and... McDrabb

86 posted on 01/14/2004 12:30:18 PM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: ThatsAllFolks2
In the 2002 regular season, McNabb was the 9th rated passer in the league out of quarterbacks with 200 or more attempts. The 8 in front of him were white.

Look here quarterback ratings.

87 posted on 01/14/2004 12:39:45 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: marshmallow
"I could be wrong, but I took this to mean that the press over-hypes black QBs."

You're right, you are wrong. What Rush was trying to splain was that McNabb was not playing well at all and was, at best, an average QB. (This was noted by plenty of articles written by sportwriters aplenty before Rush made his statement) But the press felt compelled to talk up Donovan McNabb and even his endorsements were going through the roof despite the fact that he was an average quarterback. He felt that it was due to the press and the racist views that the world needs to see a black athelete succeed at the quarterback position so we can get this whole issue of race behind us.

Why? In my opinion, because in a preemptive strike against anyone that might want to call the media racists (when the subject of racism comes up, all these sports guys are as phony as a 3 dollar bill), all they have to do is hold up their coverage of Donovan McNabb up and say, "See, we're not racist, we like Donovan!"

Why McNabb and not others? This year was supposed to be Philly's year. They got bushwacked by the Buccaneers but they were coming back on a mission, a little northeast sports bias perhaps, and besides, McNabb was the best candidates to jump on the bandwagon for because he was black (obviously), intelligent, personable, attractive and best of all, he was clean. And "clean" means "safe". No rape charges, no little Donovans running around all over town, no mugshots taken after beating up his old lady, he was never accused of taking a dump in his girlfriends laundry basket, you know, the little things that tend to turn people off.

It wasn't a matter of how good he was, he had star qualities and marketability due to his boyish smile and a clean record.

Of course, all that could be crap too and it could just mean that Aaron Brooks, Steve McNair and Daunte Culpepper all need new agents. As Deon Sanders said, while he was at Florida State he realized that DBs don't get payed as much as QBs and other stars so he had to come up with a shtick to market himself better so, presto change-o, in comes, Neon Deon, Primetime! Deon was never going to be a Hall-of-Famer but that didn't stop him from getting the coverage (read: CASH).

88 posted on 01/14/2004 12:46:26 PM PST by Hatteras (Asking people, "Ch...Ch...Ch...Ch...What's the matter with you boy?")
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To: Duke809
"OK, whatever you say. Jake Delhomme. Hahahahahaha"

Bump for Monday morning...

89 posted on 01/14/2004 12:48:53 PM PST by Hatteras (Asking people, "Ch...Ch...Ch...Ch...What's the matter with you boy?")
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Look here quarterback ratings.

And.....QB ratings mean virtually nothing. There are soooo many nuances of the game (strength of running game, play-calling, QB rushing yards, individual game strategies, etc) that QB ratings mean very little.

There's a reason no one paid any attention to them for decades after people devised them.

That said, I'm not a big Mcnabb fan but would take him on my team. And he wasn't deserving of a Pro Bowl spot this year.

90 posted on 01/14/2004 12:52:14 PM PST by gdani (Have you played Atari today?)
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To: Alberta's Child
Ironically, McNabb's style of play is very similar to that of a former Philadelphia quarterback named Randall Cunningham -- who also never won a championship ring, either.

If Cunningham were on the Eagles of today in his prime, McNabb would be holding a clipboard.

91 posted on 01/14/2004 12:52:53 PM PST by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: Duke809
McNair is a fine QB. Manning, please refresh my memory on the number of Super Bowls he has won. Until this year, I believe he has won NO playoff games. Correct? As in Zero, Zilch, Nada, Goosegg. Let's see how the gifted Peyton does with Bellichick's defense breathing down his neck every snap. As for the Chiefs in the playoff's, they couldn't even stop a pee-wee team, so spare me the Manning worship.

Since when has winning a SB been the measure of a great QB? Obviously you've never heard of Dan Marino. Manning has won the same number SBs that McNair AND McNabb has- none. Unlike McNabb, Manning has shown steady improvement in his tenure in the NFL. And I admire the hell out of Steve McNair because the man plays hurt almost all the time and rarely complains.

But what you fail to address, is that (like Rush has said) McNabb unfairly gets all the credit for Philly's success. Philly's defense has made them what they are. But you wouldn't know that by listening to NFL pundits. At least with teams like the Chiefs, Pats, Colts and Titans, the praise is spread equally among the entire team. And speaking of the Pats, wouldn't you agree that they've been the NFLs best kept secret? I mean really. How many non-die hard Pats fans knew this team was 14-2? Now tell me, other than being in opposing conferences, how is it that Tom Brady doesn't get to the Pro Bowl, but McNabb does?

As for being a Philly/McNabb basher, I am neither. Like everyone else on this forum, I have favorite teams, and teams I dislike. Philly is on neither list for me. So keep trying to turn this into a 'everyone hates Philly/McNabb' or 'its stylish to hate McNabb' argument all you want. Anyone who follows the NFL ardently knows that your crying is just that- crying.

92 posted on 01/14/2004 1:06:30 PM PST by rintense (Legal Immigration . Nothing else.)
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To: hobbes1
Last season Pennington Demolished Green Bay in a game important to GB and Won a Division, and then Dismantled the Colts in the playoffs last season....

So his accomplishments consist of one playoff win? Let's not get on the phone to Canton just yet.

And I notice that you neglect to mention how Pennington did in his second playoff game (vs Oakland).

Vick also went on the Road and took GB down In GB In the playoffs...

That game he threw for a grand total of 117 yards. And then the following week? (Three turnovers, no touchdowns, lost game)

93 posted on 01/14/2004 1:06:43 PM PST by gdani (Have you played Atari today?)
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To: uncbob
But I loved watching Randall play . He was exciting with that long stride and great arm

Watching Randall was like watching an albatross throw and a gazelle run. He wasn't the best QB in the world, but he gave it what he had and was fun to watch.

94 posted on 01/14/2004 1:10:55 PM PST by rintense (Legal Immigration . Nothing else.)
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To: Duke809
When Vick wins something, please get back to me. Last year the mighty Vick and the Falcons were made to look like a high school team by the overrated McNabb and the lousy Eagles, or did you forget that?

Its nice to see you judge individuals by one game. If that's the case, then McNabb truly sucks, because I can give you at least 4 this year and several last year where he looked like a junior college player. You are obviously so entranced in your love of the Eagles that you can't even see objectively that McNabb is not the QB savior of this league, as he has been made out to be by so many. Nor is he the reason Philly has done so well. If I feel for anyone, it's the Eagles D, who doesn't get enough credit because of McNabb. Hell, I can admit I'm a Lions fan, but I can also know when to say they suck, who sucks, and why they suck.

As for Vick, he was the flavor of the week last year. He got hurt ( as his style of play will dictate), and McNabb became the next one to tout. Does the NFL play favorites? Hell yes. Anyone who knows anything about Brett Favre knows that NFL pundits think he's a God, perhaps at the behest of the other Pakcers players. But Brett has over the years compiled the stats and record to back up some of the idol worship (and I am the farthest thing from a Favre fan).

95 posted on 01/14/2004 1:22:58 PM PST by rintense (Legal Immigration . Nothing else.)
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To: Hatteras
You're right, you are wrong. What Rush was trying to splain was that McNabb was not playing well at all and was, at best, an average QB.

If that's what Rush was trying to say then I doubly disagree with him. McNabb is not an "average" QB. Tommy Maddox is an average QB. Trent Green is an average QB. So is Tim Couch and Marc Bulger. McNabb is a very good QB. Not "great". Not yet, anyway. But a step above your average journeyman.

96 posted on 01/14/2004 1:29:43 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: gdani
And.....QB ratings mean virtually nothing. There are soooo many nuances of the game (strength of running game, play-calling, QB rushing yards, individual game strategies, etc) that QB ratings mean very little.

How true

Hall of famer Bobby Lane with several championships behind him threw more interceptions than career touchdowns
Wonder what his QB rating would be

In the last Eagles championship season ( 1960) Hall of Famer Van Brocklin was 9 for 22 beating GB in the championship game in the only game Lombardi lost in post season play and was voted MVP of the game ( even though Bednarik should have won it )
97 posted on 01/14/2004 1:32:53 PM PST by uncbob
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To: L.N. Smithee
Now that's debatable. Cunningham may have put up better numbers back then than McNabb does today, but remember -- Cunningham was throwing the ball to some players who were among the best in the league at their positions, including wide receivers Mike Quick, Cris Carter, and Kenny Jackson, tight end Keith Jackson, and running back Keith Byars.

98 posted on 01/14/2004 1:44:21 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: rintense
True but this year a guy by the name of Westbrook , in my opinion was the Eagles MVP

If he was in the GB game it would have never gone to OT

99 posted on 01/14/2004 1:46:41 PM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob
What happened to Westbrook?
100 posted on 01/14/2004 1:47:59 PM PST by rintense (Legal Immigration . Nothing else.)
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