Plan For Immigration Reform Dismays Many Conservatives

HUMAN EVENTS ^ | Posted Jan 12, 2004 | Joseph A. D'Agostino

[B4Ranch]

"We have to begin somewhere. Why not with the bounty and subsequent enforcement?"

My plan gives major consideration to the costs of detention, processing and deportation of the illegals.

I don't want anyone being taxed for anything that's unnecessary. If we can get the illegals to go back home under their own costs taking with them all the private property they have legally attained, I support that.

Should we have to use our LEO's to arrest, detain, process and deport the illegals the penalty will be forfiture of all private property.

Anything they own that the local government agencies can use, houses, cars, cash, heavy or small equipment, etc. goes to them if needed, the rest should go to local churches for dispursement to the needy.

[B4Ranch]

"The first step is to identify those illegal immigrants who just want to make some money and go back home."

You want to identify the illegal aliens who are already here. The ones who ignored our immigration laws.

Okay, what about the people who have remained in their own country and are attempting to follow our laws for legal entry. Should these people be pushed aside in favor of the criminals? That is what the Presidents plan does!

We have illegals already working here. These criminals have taken the position away from the ones who wish to immigrate to America legally. Why do you want to reward them?

Identify them and offer some monetary incentive for them to return to their country of origin at the end of some period, say three years.

How long do you think it is going to take before someone in Washington understands that "I " have been working in America for three years. I have a much nicer apartment than "I" would ever get in my home country. "I" want to bring my family to America because of the medical care, the schooling, the individual safety here, the food and water quality, the availability of just about anything I want to buy, etc., etc. Oh, yes, originally "I" was wanting to make some cash and go home but I have realized that America iss the better place to raise a family. Now "I" have decided "I" to stay here.

Instead of taking ten years to deport a criminal, it should take only a few months.

Try something like 72 hours MAXIMUM!

QUIT BEING SO DAMNED COMPASSIONATE TO THESE CRIMINALS.

Step three is to eliminate welfare benefits for illegal immigrants.

All it would take is to declare it to be a national security issue by Tom Ridge or the President and bang, it's done!

Step four involves the sensitive question of “anchor babies.” If a person is born in the U.S., they are an American citizen regardless of whom or what their parents are. Although I don’t think we can or should change the constitution on this issue, how much of an “anchor” the baby is can be changed by immigration policy.

Do you have any idea what the term "anchor baby" implies? I was born here, now I want my brothers and sister with my parents to be with me IN AMERICA!

"anchor baby" is something that needs to be abolished immediately.

Mexican women in Brownsville, Texas come by ambulance to have their babies delivered in the US on the word of a Mexican doctor who says the delivery is "life threatening". Every birth can be life threatening".

[Tauzero]

" You can try raising wages"

Or you could try capital investment and innovation.

There's no shortage of lettuce in Australia.

[Jim Cane]

Yes, the hyper-capitalists are enacting there end-runaround the free-market. They actually HATE the free market, because left to a true "laissez faire" policy, (another thing they secretly hate - it's beyond their control) wages would rise and fall depending upon the nature of the work plus the state of the economy balanced against the salary.

End minimum wage and seal the borders - bump!

[Binghamton_native]

At least you present a plan for debate. 95% of the commentary on conservative talk radio is nothing more than ranting and raving and does not address what we should do with the existing situation.

[Jim Cane]

What about guys like my brothers? They've owned a small curb and gutter concrete business for years in Tulsa and illegals have all but put them out of business. They're trying to make an honest living doing concrete work but the illegals are able to underbid them because they don't bother with such things as paying taxes or Worker's Comp. An honest American business can't compete when the deck is stacked against them. None of you "it's all about cheap fruit" people will ever address what illegals are doing to trades like concrete work, carpentry, drywall and other construction jobs.

They can spend all their money to retrain and get jobs as programmers or engineers. That's the AMERICAN way!

Maybe they should start a pharmacuetical company in Canada. Make bootleg drugs and import them to the U.S. If it's okay to import bootleg mexican laborers, then it's okay to import bootleg viagra, eh?

[B4Ranch]

Thank you for the compliment.

That's probably why I'm not accepted by the in crowd. Debating logical thought isn't a favored activity.

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[TruthNtegrity]

They can spend all their money to retrain and get jobs as programmers or engineers. That's the AMERICAN way!

You can't be serious?

You haven't been reading about the H-1B's that have taken away our programming and engineering jobs?

Mostly Indians and Chinese, they work for less than half what a comprably trained American would expect, and because they are endentured servants, waiting for their Green Cards, they get to work horrendous amounts of overtime, unpaid. And they get to live with 3 or 4 of their buds, to try to save money to send home.

And that's IF there are jobs for them that haven't been sent overseas.

American programmers are considered "too expensive" at age 35, and American engineers, at age 40. Don't let your kids grow up, wanting to be a programmer or engineer, unless they get into and stay in the defense field, with a minimum of a TS. Then and only then are their jobs safe!

TNT

[Jim Cane]

You can't be serious?

Did I say programmer or engineer? I meant call center operator or medical transcription processor. And then of course they can always become furniture makers.

[B4Ranch]

Your rothers situation is more eveidence that MissAmericanPie's post is truthful and up todate.

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Twenty years ago a high school drop out could get a job in construction, trucking, or manufacturing, and still do pretty well for himself. Well enough to own a car and afford some type of housing, by the age of twenty.

One by one these jobs have been outsourced, or filled by a wage suppressing immigrant, lowering the expectation and living standard of many Americans. Such is not suppose to be the case. In raising the boat of third world nations we have sunk the boats of many average Americans. Meanwhile those that stick it out through college are finding their jobs outsourced and their options limited.

Why do you think so many people my age are enraged, we know what has happened, we know America is being stripmined, and youth who has never known anything else, raised in the fed propaganda camps, have no clue of how badly they have been robbed.

You are merely parroting the propaganda of the enemy like a good little public school student. There are not that many white collar jobs and in fact all jobs have been artificially manipulated out of the country, or by immigrants in country all due to deadly socialist government policies and freedom robbing Free Trade.

52 posted on 01/14/2004 5:15:38 AM PST by MissAmericanPie

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[EagleMamaMT]

Yeah, that's the ticket! :)

[Brownie74]

Thanks for the ping. BUMP!!

[EagleMamaMT]

More great career choices! :) (typed, with tongue firmly in cheek, by a medical transcriptionist with 23 years' experience)

[PersonalLiberties]

I guess one could always work for the govt. it is the largest employer. Although this fact is true, my tongue is in my cheek too.

[EagleMamaMT]

I guess someone's going to be needed to keep track of all these illegals' fed. gov. handouts and benefits. Maybe I'll look into a gov. job myself! :)

[BureaucratusMaximus]

Why do you think so many people my age are enraged, we know what has happened, we know America is being stripmined, and youth who has never known anything else, raised in the fed propaganda camps, have no clue of how badly they have been robbed.

BTTT!

[PersonalLiberties]

I read MissAmericaPie's post. I feel like a kindred spirit. I tried to go back to college a couple of years ago (I am still in my twenties) and could not believe the absolute lies and garbage past off on these poor students.

So, where do we EFFECTIVELY direct our rage. I know the 2 party system needs to be shaken up, but where to start?

[BureaucratusMaximus]

I tried to go back to college a couple of years ago (I am still in my twenties) and could not believe the absolute lies and garbage past off on these poor students.

I count myself lucky then...I graduated a year before the U. of Illinois @ Chicago had some kind of diversity course as one of their requirements.

So, where do we EFFECTIVELY direct our rage. I know the 2 party system needs to be shaken up, but where to start?

I don't know either, do we reform the Republican party with our votes, money, and support? or abandon it? Personally...I getting tired of getting stabbed in the back by them. There is hope though...the boomer generation of liberals won't live forever. (although alot of their kids are much worse) I see other signs of hope when I see and hear about people our age homeschooling their kids, having larger families, (moms) staying home with their kids, owning firearms, being politically active, as well as caring, appreciating, and supporting our country. Time will tell I suppose.

[meema]

Sounds like you have great ideas. I like it.

[meema]

When my son built a new house in Yorkville, IL, 2 years ago, about half the building personal could not speak English. Spanish only. Good paying jobs, too.